Vintage law enforcement rifles

It looks like Mr. Kalashnikov took some cues from that Remington.

Nice rifles!

It looks like Mr. Kalashnikov took some cues from that Remington.

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Indeed he did.

Nice rifles. I always liked those 81s.

Wow! If I was going to take that rifle and "improve" it, the AK is pretty close to what I'd probably end up with.

Both the Remington and the Winchester look like fun rifles. I like how the magazine is relatively flush with the trigger guard. It gives it a clean look.

Were is the group from the .351 ?

I have a 1907 made that year that still shoots, and I construct ammo for it that makes it viable defense weapon if needed...

Now you need a Winchester model 94 30-30 and an M1 carbine.

Both are very coo, but the Mod 81 is sweet.

as said, now get a mod 94 and M1 carbine.

I have also liked the 81, Now that my military collection is really about where it is going to be at I have been thinking about this for my next area. But I have been thinking hand guns. With where I work it would be a natural fit in....think I will draw the line somewhere before they all started getting Glocks.....We carry Sig here.

When I started on the Sheriff's Department, the Sheriff had a Smith & Wesson Model 76, 9MM full-auto Sub-machine gun. No, I didn't get to play with it

When I worked at the PD, I had an arms locker on one wall in my office. After some time and a great deal of buttering up, I got a key to this locker. It held 6 original Winchester Model 92s in 32-20 (the story was that in the mid to late 00s {1905 to 1910} the city bought a bunch of them to issue to business owners if the need were to arise). Also a single Winchester Model 97 pump shotgun and 2 Browning 'hump backs' in 351 Winchester. I did get to fondle these but could not take them from the building. We had a change of Chief of Police and this one was an *****. He determined that anything that he didn't like would be disposed of and he didn't like any guns. All of these classic weapons were to be burned at ARMOCO Steel, until one of the City Councilmen some how got wind of it. They were sold in a sealed bid auction to FFL dealers.

Sorry, no photos. I would like to have many photos but that didn't happen much 40 plus years ago.

oldpapps said:

When I started on the Sheriff's Department, the Sheriff had a Smith & Wesson Model 76, 9MM full-auto Sub-machine gun. No, I didn't get to play with it

When I worked at the PD, I had an arms locker on one wall in my office. After some time and a great deal of buttering up, I got a key to this locker. It held 6 original Winchester Model 92s in 32-20 (the story was that in the mid to late 00s {1905 to 1910} the city bought a bunch of them to issue to business owners if the need were to arise). Also a single Winchester Model 97 pump shotgun and 2 Browning 'hump backs' in 351 Winchester. I did get to fondle these but could not take them from the building. We had a change of Chief of Police and this one was an *****. He determined that anything that he didn't like would be disposed of and he didn't like any guns. All of these classic weapons were to be burned at ARMOCO Steel, until one of the City Councilmen some how got wind of it. They were sold in a sealed bid auction to FFL dealers.

Sorry, no photos. I would like to have many photos but that didn't happen much 40 plus years ago.

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What was going on in your town's history that City Hall would of armed business owners?

I have a thing for vintage rifles used by law enforcement "back in the day". During the 30's and 40's, the FBI issued the Remington model 81 in .30 Remington and the Winchester '07 in .351 WSL.

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An interesting post about a little discssed area of historical firearms. Thanks for sharing your "collection".

It's a fascinating topic. But the actual stamped or issued long arms aren't easy to find. Most of them tended to be ad hoc affairs or privately owned by the officer. I've heard of Win 94's being issued to the USFS and other federal personnel during WW2. Don't know if those were stamped though.

Love the Model 8 and 81s.Here is a link to the Model 8 equipped with the 15 shot after market "police mag".

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/52/lid/297

http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/?page_id=659

Kalashnikov copied John Browning's trigger - hammer group and perhaps more out of the Model 8 or 81 Remington for the AK type rifle.

Nice collection. You need to get a 10 round mag. for that 07.

twofifty

"What was going on in your town's history that City Hall would of armed business owners?"

I think it was a hold over in mind set from when the little town of Harlem flooded in 1902. FYI, this town of Harlem never came back and was where Jessie fell in love with 'Z'. Think 1870s, last name James. The area was kind of wild back then, not that it wasn't in the 30s also. Most of the town's history is lost as it is completely surrounded by a much larger and better known city. Being a transplant to the area, I found this information intriguing. Things like the Chouteau's trading on 'The Rock Creek' (gone thanks to the levee).
Nuf. Back to weapons please.

Great looking Model 81 you got there Mustang51 Both those rifles were great law enforcement guns, both in standard and "police" format. Good shooting too!

5 rounds of 30 Remington go fast, 15 rounds just takes a tad longer!

henschman said:

It looks like Mr. Kalashnikov took some cues from that Remington.

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I doubt the old Soviet tank sergeant ever saw one.

And I don't see any connection.

You need to look at some Winchester 92's and 94's. I had a 92 marked Washington State Prison, if I remember right it was in .44/40.

Some really nice rifles in this thread.

cat9x - where did those rifles come from? Were they issued by an agency?

A Model 8 in .35 Remington with an extended magazine was the rifle used by Frank Hamer to kill Bonnie & Clyde, along with lots more shots fired from rifles and shotguns used by posse members.

I got started in LE in '91. At that time TDC (Texas Department of Corrections) still had Model 94 .30-30s as saddle guns for the field force and one of the units had Thompson Submachine Guns on the guard towers until the early 80s.

A local Sheriff's Office had two .45 Reising Submachine Guns that were issued to Deputies and kept in their patrol cars on duty.

A buddy of mine's Dad worked for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office in Louisiana in the 1980s and was issued a Winchester 1907 in .351 Winchester SL.

Another buddy worked for the Milam County Sheriff's Office here in Texas and was issued a .30 M2 Carbine (Yes I said M2) with 30 round magazines. This was in the Mid-90s.

To my knowledge most of these have been sold and the proceeds used to buy Mini-14s or AR-15s . Before ARs took over the patrol rifle market, there were some really cool rifles riding around in patrol vehicles.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr