Pocket Carry Question

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My choice for pocket carry is probably going to be a Ruger LC9. Yeah it's a bit bigger and heavier than the LCP. But I like the idea of a 9MM, over a .380. And recoil is not a problem for me.
I can get my Dear Wife's Keltek PF9, in my jeans or Dockers Pocket. And I think the LC9 is just about the same size. Besides I favor Ruger over Keltek. So, it's on layaway.

Right now, I'm carrying a Ruger LCR, .38 special. It's light & handy. But, it only has 5 rounds and it's slower to load. I am use to it though. Been carrying it over a year. And the recoil is not a problem.
So, I'm changing to 9MM.
 
The 938 is slightly thicker than the 238...and the grip frame is a little longer front to back to accommodate the 9mm cartridge The difference is only barley noticeable when pocket carrying
 
My choice for pocket carry is probably going to be a Ruger LC9. Yeah it's a bit bigger and heavier than the LCP. But I like the idea of a 9MM, over a .380. And recoil is not a problem for me.
I can get my Dear Wife's Keltek PF9, in my jeans or Dockers Pocket. And I think the LC9 is just about the same size. Besides I favor Ruger over Keltek. So, it's on layaway.

Right now, I'm carrying a Ruger LCR, .38 special. It's light & handy. But, it only has 5 rounds and it's slower to load. I am use to it though. Been carrying it over a year. And the recoil is not a problem.
So, I'm changing to 9MM.
Kahr makes a 9mm that's smaller than the Ruger LC9. I think it is called AM 9..not sure???but it is DAO and has a long trigger pull as a safety. It is coated silver on the whole top end of slide. Very attractive
 
The pm9 is the smallest "3 inch barrel". Stainless slide, MSRP is around $1000.00 but can be had for 700.00 with night sights. Extra mags etc, your looking at $750 -800. The gun is the best sub compact made at this time,for a pocket carry accurate 7 round+ gun. IMO
 
The pm9 is the smallest "3 inch barrel". Stainless slide, MSRP is around $1000.00 but can be had for 700.00 with night sights. Extra mags etc, your looking at $750 -800. The gun is the best sub compact made at this time,for a pocket carry accurate 7 round+ gun. IMO
I agree I looked at the PM9 made by Kahr. It comes with 2 mags a 6rd. and a 7 rd. magazine. It was around $700. I liked it alot better than the Ruger LCP.380 or LC9
 
My favorite pocket gun is a Ruger .38 special LCR. I've been carrying it for over a year.
Yes, it is kinda snappy. But, I don't shoot many +Ps in it. It slips in my Strong side pants pocket just fine. And I have "5 for sure".
I also have a Ruger .357 magnum LCR. But I carry it in a Galco high ride belt holster. It is heavier and snappier than the .38 special LCR. It's very comforting to carry, though.
I'm a wheel gun guy for sure.

Oh, but I do have a couple Commander size 1911s, that I 've carried from time to time over the years also.

And, I'm thinking I'm going to be getting a Ruger LC9, for a pocket pistol, at my next pay check
The Kahr PM9 makes the Ruger LC9 or LCP look like a cheap pistol.
 
I hate to beat the dead horse again but since you asked I would strongly advise against the Taurus. Just too many reliability issues with that brand. Your other choices seem fine. Personally, I like airweight J-Frames for pocket carry. No controls like mag releases, safeties, de-cockers, etc to worry about. Plus I like being able to buy after market grips for the little revolvers. I'm loving the secret service boot grip on my J-Frame.
 
I hate to beat the dead horse again but since you asked I would strongly advise against the Taurus.
So I'll play devil's advocate. I habe a TCP that is great, just a little ammo picky, as in no steel cased junk ammo. Lots of people with great experiences with Taurus guns. And fantastic CS to boot. Don't let internet stories scare you away from Taurus, if you genuinely like one, get it.
 
Let us know how the recoil is on that little .380. I like the size but that LCP is not California compliant:uhoh::eek:
I got my new LCP to the range this weekend. It's on OK shooter (it is what it is), but it had no problems with any of the ball ammo I tried in it. Not a problem in about 100 rounds. Found some Winchester PXE at Walmart yesterday and have some other defensive ammo coming in from Midway to try in it next.
I made a point of clean it up and not lubing it for it's initial test. The little gun actually groups pretty nice and not too terribly snappy. The trigger reset on it is long, very long in my opinion.
I range companion, big fan of Ruger, shot several mags through the LCP and convinced him that he is going to get one for a travel companion.
As to the Taurus debate. I had a 709 that spent more time getting worked on than at my house. It was the first generation of the pistol. I had Taurus 9mm 1911 that never once had an issue shooting a variety of rounds. My range companion this weekend had a Taurus 44 special revolver that he has had for years and he said he has never experienced an issue with it - it's his favorite range gun.
 
I got my new LCP to the range this weekend. It's on OK shooter (it is what it is), but it had no problems with any of the ball ammo I tried in it. Not a problem in about 100 rounds. Found some Winchester PXE at Walmart yesterday and have some other defensive ammo coming in from Midway to try in it next.
I made a point of clean it up and not lubing it for it's initial test. The little gun actually groups pretty nice and not too terribly snappy. The trigger reset on it is long, very long in my opinion.
I range companion, big fan of Ruger, shot several mags through the LCP and convinced him that he is going to get one for a travel companion.
As to the Taurus debate. I had a 709 that spent more time getting worked on than at my house. It was the first generation of the pistol. I had Taurus 9mm 1911 that never once had an issue shooting a variety of rounds. My range companion this weekend had a Taurus 44 special revolver that he has had for years and he said he has never experienced an issue with it - it's his favorite range gun.
That's great. The majority of shooters don't like that Ruger trigger pull. Have you checked out the Kahr P-380?
 
Is the 1911 SA cocked and locked more likely to go off than some other SA/DA? I'll accept the premise it could be. Most 1911's are larger full frame guns worn on outside the belt holsters. One specific trait it getting dropped during handling on the hammer - which is a problem even with lever guns and shotguns. Exposed hammer weapons in and of that specific design are more likely to go off when you smack them hammer first on a solid object.

Taking that off the table for a pocket carry gun - what happens when the slide is flipped off? First, pocket carry can be done with or without a holster - and nobody responsible is saying you can carry a cocked weapon with a live trigger with no holster. Further, nothing else should be in that pocket, either. That's why we saw the pic of the LCP in a holster for pocket carry. Having it bounce around loose in the pocket with a magazine would be less safe than a C&L 1911 style - you would at least have to get the safety off AND pull the trigger.

"What if" the safety does get swiped off? You still have to pull the trigger, have to ask what could cause both interactions in a pocket, especially if it's in a holster? If something could do that with a 1911 cocked and locked, why would it not be able to do the same with a live trigger with no safety at all?

It's really up to the carrier, tho. I had my objections in the day to the 1911 system, spent money to not have one, yet trained on them for years and carried them on duty, or it's similar descendants. Never had a problem - yet the live trigger, albeit with 8 pound pull, on the ones I did buy for myself still bothers me. I will feel more comfortable with having the hammer locked down, than having a trigger that isn't.

It's really not whether one is "better" than another - it's about your perception of risk and what you intend to do in the way of carry. Much the same as to whether you would prefer to have a magazine disconnect - where the push of the mag release also locks the action so that it cannot go off, regardless of a round being in the chamber and having it cocked. Some abhor it, other's thank the designer daily because they are here on earth because of it. A perp couldn't use the gun after winning the struggle to take it away from them - the owner pushed the mag release and it couldn't go off. The backup gun did, tho.

I don't think I particularly need a mag disconnect - but if it was a duty gun carried OWB for police work, I would certainly expect it and appreciate it. Same for "SAFE" action triggers or hammer safeties - they have a place, depends on the circumstances and what priority the user puts on them.

I don't thing anyone particularly wants a weapon in their pocket to go off - hence the large number of carriers using inside the waistband holsters. In either case, the safety shouldn't be easily flipped off anyway - if you have a 6 pound trigger, the safety should be the same, and in neither case should you carry in a way that would snag it. That is far more important because of the risk than whether you have one or both.

In that regard, 1911 cocked and locked is a bit more like belt and suspenders - it's more safe than a trigger alone. And that trigger doesn't have to be a 2 pound target trigger, either. Light triggers are for precision range work, street triggers are all about adrenaline dumps and the difficulty of reflexive reaction, unintentionally pulling the trigger because the hand was engaged in a gripping action with no fine motor control.

One other thought I just saw in a post - in Texas, the largest number of CCW applicants is over 50. When you are trained and experienced in a certain type of firearm due to military or duty requirements, you tend to stick to what you know when it comes to self defense. You choose what you are already familiar with, instead of something new and different. Plus, those of us over 50 are more than aware of the abuse we put our body to, plenty of us out there with carpal tunnel. A large double stack grip with or without heavy long pull trigger isn't a good choice. The ergonomics are against us. I, for one, now prefer, like it or not, a slim grip, and easily accessed controls I have practiced with for years and know how to operate.

That's not everybody, choose what you like, but choose what works best, instead of what some tacticool expert requires you to use so you can keep your man card. He won't be there to back you up - you will be on your own. He will just be around after the fact to critique something he hasn't witnessed, and he certainly will not have walked a mile in your shoes, either.
 
Is the 1911 SA cocked and locked more likely to go off than some other SA/DA? I'll accept the premise it could be. Most 1911's are larger full frame guns worn on outside the belt holsters. One specific trait it getting dropped during handling on the hammer - which is a problem even with lever guns and shotguns. Exposed hammer weapons in and of that specific design are more likely to go off when you smack them hammer first on a solid object.

Taking that off the table for a pocket carry gun - what happens when the slide is flipped off? First, pocket carry can be done with or without a holster - and nobody responsible is saying you can carry a cocked weapon with a live trigger with no holster. Further, nothing else should be in that pocket, either. That's why we saw the pic of the LCP in a holster for pocket carry. Having it bounce around loose in the pocket with a magazine would be less safe than a C&L 1911 style - you would at least have to get the safety off AND pull the trigger.

"What if" the safety does get swiped off? You still have to pull the trigger, have to ask what could cause both interactions in a pocket, especially if it's in a holster? If something could do that with a 1911 cocked and locked, why would it not be able to do the same with a live trigger with no safety at all?

It's really up to the carrier, tho. I had my objections in the day to the 1911 system, spent money to not have one, yet trained on them for years and carried them on duty, or it's similar descendants. Never had a problem - yet the live trigger, albeit with 8 pound pull, on the ones I did buy for myself still bothers me. I will feel more comfortable with having the hammer locked down, than having a trigger that isn't.

It's really not whether one is "better" than another - it's about your perception of risk and what you intend to do in the way of carry. Much the same as to whether you would prefer to have a magazine disconnect - where the push of the mag release also locks the action so that it cannot go off, regardless of a round being in the chamber and having it cocked. Some abhor it, other's thank the designer daily because they are here on earth because of it. A perp couldn't use the gun after winning the struggle to take it away from them - the owner pushed the mag release and it couldn't go off. The backup gun did, tho.

I don't think I particularly need a mag disconnect - but if it was a duty gun carried OWB for police work, I would certainly expect it and appreciate it. Same for "SAFE" action triggers or hammer safeties - they have a place, depends on the circumstances and what priority the user puts on them.

I don't thing anyone particularly wants a weapon in their pocket to go off - hence the large number of carriers using inside the waistband holsters. In either case, the safety shouldn't be easily flipped off anyway - if you have a 6 pound trigger, the safety should be the same, and in neither case should you carry in a way that would snag it. That is far more important because of the risk than whether you have one or both.

In that regard, 1911 cocked and locked is a bit more like belt and suspenders - it's more safe than a trigger alone. And that trigger doesn't have to be a 2 pound target trigger, either. Light triggers are for precision range work, street triggers are all about adrenaline dumps and the difficulty of reflexive reaction, unintentionally pulling the trigger because the hand was engaged in a gripping action with no fine motor control.

One other thought I just saw in a post - in Texas, the largest number of CCW applicants is over 50. When you are trained and experienced in a certain type of firearm due to military or duty requirements, you tend to stick to what you know when it comes to self defense. You choose what you are already familiar with, instead of something new and different. Plus, those of us over 50 are more than aware of the abuse we put our body to, plenty of us out there with carpal tunnel. A large double stack grip with or without heavy long pull trigger isn't a good choice. The ergonomics are against us. I, for one, now prefer, like it or not, a slim grip, and easily accessed controls I have practiced with for years and know how to operate.

That's not everybody, choose what you like, but choose what works best, instead of what some tacticool expert requires you to use so you can keep your man card. He won't be there to back you up - you will be on your own. He will just be around after the fact to critique something he hasn't witnessed, and he certainly will not have walked a mile in your shoes, either.
Kahr PM9 in 9mm gets my vote of approval.
 
My front pocket gun is a Colt Model M in .32 ACP. Hides well in a back pocket of my blue jeans with a T shirt worn not tucked in as well.

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This one was built in 1918 and has very little finish left on it as several generations of my Wife's kin have carried it a lot over 95 years. I also have a Model M built in 1930.

Super pocket pistol from an era where they were not mouse guns per se.

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I'm selling my bodyguard .380 with much expanding ammunition if anyone is interested.
 
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