Chinese AR lowers anybody?

The company says that is has the ability to supply 3000 tons of AR-15 lowers per year.

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That's a whole lot of $50 paper-weights.

As most 80% receivers turn out to be.

rc

I'll take one if it works.

No thank you. Ill sit in line for a quality usa made 80% if I ever need one.... which I hope is soon!

$50 for an 80% or $90 for a finished lower made here. Oh I can can buy just 1 finished lower and not 100. At those prices it can't be that much savings for the mass builder.

Maybe when the Chinese figure out how to properly make things out of the plastic they've been workin with for 50+ years I might be able to trust their aluminum forging abilities. Gonna be awhile in other words.

The link does not work for me. Are these from the Taiwanese or the Communists?

Push comes to shove in an availability issue, I don't mind supporting the Taiwanese at all but I'll never buy a communist made new firearm.

Walkalong said:

They can make things as cheaply or as well as they want to, but for $50, I'll just go with an American $80 finished lower. And they'll be less, on sale, soon.

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Norinco seems to have a pretty good reputation.

Motherboards and power supplies are pretty much all built in China, so if you are using a computer, you are using Chinese parts

They would sell. It baffles me and makes me sick but Americans would buy them.

It baffles me and makes me sick but Americans would buy them.

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I don't know, I see a bit of irony that the Russians and Chinese may be providing the bulk of the tools to prevent the Socialist takeover of our country from the inside when the Second American Revolution comes.

Takers vs. Makers, its coming.

Wally:

Agreed. Sad I can buy Russian primers, but not American made primers. The same goes often for ammo.

Geno

Sad I can buy Russian primers, but not American made primers. The same goes often for ammo.

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I have a dream that Putin really decides to tweak Obama and opens the export floodgates returning us to the days or $175 Saigas and $80/1000 ammo

Was not all that long ago.

"Maybe when the Chinese figure out how to properly make things out of the plastic they've been workin with for 50+ years I might be able to trust their aluminum forging abilities. Gonna be awhile in other words"


Uhh... no.

The Chinese can make anything they like, to any quality standard they desire.

They have been most successful at marketing plastic dog-doo to Walmart, but that speaks to the desires of the customers, not the suppliers. "You want dog-doo in plastic? How many tons?". No worries.


But:

I've flown hundreds of hours as a pilot (on our side, naturally) in Chinese manufactured MiG fighters "out west", powered by Chinese manufactured jet engines, without the slightest hesitation. The jet's I have flown were manufactured in the late 1970's. The quality is excellent, and Chinese MiGs are considered by most experts (including myself) as superior to European production aircraft of similar models. China is a leader in high precision production capability, and can make whatever the customer wants. Want rubber dog-doo? Sign right here. Want to buy a manned space flight program? Sign over there. Your choice.


To denigrate their capability is foolish. Sort of like how we denigrated the Japanese and their technology, until they ran amok in the Pacific. Example: In the 1920's thru 1940's, naval power was the highest level of technology in the world, sort of like spaceflight is today. Consider this: To this day the magnificent Japanese Kongo class battleship was probably the finest ship of class ever built.... but we ignored it until we were fully involved with the conflict. The Yamato class battleship still stands as the most capable battleship ever built by anyone, ever. We didn't think that "The Japs" could run such a ship, which was/is a foolish viewpoint based on perceptions of "our superiority". That's a bad place to be: You need to respect your "enemy", and China is exactly that from an economic standpoint. It's also one that is puttine men into space, while the USA no longer has that capability. Consider that and contemplate it: The USA has NO MANNED SPACEFLIGHT CAPABILITY and China does. So: Choose not to buy Chinese for political reasons if you like, but make no error about it: They can probably churn out top quality AR lowers by the ton for pennies on the dollar compared to US makers, and will do exactly that if there is a market for them.


Willie

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I've used what were supposed to be quality Chinese products before, metal forming tools to be specific, not just the cheap plastic crap you buy at Wal Mart. I'm not impressed. I've had to use Chinese steel at work because of contractors bein too cheap to buy quality US steel. Again not impressed. If I'm not using American made products, I prefer German, Swiss, or sometimes Australian products, but they're about as rare as American made products these days.

I don't mind Russian firearms though. They build 'em tough 99% of the time.

That's like saying you drove a Ford Pinto and will never buy another American car....

Who provides the specs and who performs the QC? That's where I think a lot of the issues lie, and not with the Chinese. Anyone who has been following the Caracal handgun recall drama of late has to wonder how an entire product line, produced in two different countries by two different sets of workers, could be so flawed unless it was a matter of either incorrect specs at the design level or poor manufacturing processes and/or materials. In this case, neither was a "third world country" with workers who didn't know what finished product they were building components for.

As far as the Chinese are concerned, if a foreign firm comes to them with proven specs in hand and a reputation on the line, I really do believe that the end result will be a quality product, assuming there is strict QC before the product goes to market.

Willie Sutton said:

The Chinese can make anything they like, to any quality standard they desire.

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And they are nuclear armed and building their military. That is precisely why Americans' willingness to funnel approximately one billion dollars per day to this country of 1 billion communist souls baffles me.

Back to the AR lower (without the politics), to me it looks like a near bare piece of metal. If I use quality parts to finish the gun, shouldn't it function as well as any other lower so long it's within spec?

I mean the AR guys always talk about quality BCG's, staking pins, M4 feed ramps, etc, but I don't usually hear stuff about the stripped lower.

Am I wrong?

Why would anyone buy one when they could buy American for almost the same price?

If price is a concern and quality isn't, there are a ton of options out there. This was one of the first links that popped up when I googled "cheap lower receiver". It's not an 80%'er and it claims to come with the lower parts kit installed.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/ne...-lower-receiver-lower-parts-kits-installed-64

I wouldn't trust my life with it but I can't tell other what to do! As for me, I'll stick to the higher quality American products.

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Why would anyone buy one when they could buy American for almost the same price?

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They're 30-40% cheaper than the U.S.-made lowers I've seen recently. Not that big a deal since lowers are cheap either way. Now imagine if every part of your AR build was 30% cheaper because you were willing to buy it all from China. It adds up pretty fast. And the cheaper it is the lower the barrier for a less wealthy American to own a decent rifle. The more the merrier.

I see this as a good thing. U.S. manufacturers have trouble keeping up with insatiable demand for AR parts during panic seasons.