elhombreconnonombre
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Despite the local SA regs, local law enforcemement did not
intervene at the rally.
intervene at the rally.
Apparently Carrying a "Non-Gun" In Texas WILL Get You Arrested!!
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Interesting--it was the day after his birthday. Guess he didn't have a good birthday...
I'm happy to hear that and also disappointed.
Happy because it probably means that SA knows their city ordinance won't survive a challenge, disappointed because by not enforcing the ordinance at the rally, they successfully prevented it from being challenged in a context where it would almost certainly be struck down.
Lawdawg45
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I can't speak for your state, but here in Indiana the officer detains the person with a "custodial arrest" and files a Probable Cause Affidavit, then the County Prosecutor decides on filing the charge or not. People are frequently released either for a lack of evidence or a lack of spine on the Prosecutors behalf, usually not ending in litigation. It's a shame these pseudo activists believe their arrest is the only way to affect change in state law.
As to your second comment about Officers taking classes or being knowledgeable, to what extent do they need to trained? Must they know the difference between a legal 1898 firearm compared to one made 2 years later which is illegal? Must they be able to distinguish a 101 decibel noise level from one acceptable at 95 decibels? How about window tinting percentages, must they able to recognize an illegal 34% verses a legal 33%? The Supreme Court has offered numerous judicial opinions on these matters and have concluded that the Officer in most situations does not need to be an expert to make an arrest. The long and short of this scenario was that a group of activists wanted attention, and that's exactly what they got.
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elhombreconnonombre
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Open Carry Texas guys at it again
Two protesters got arrested by the DPS again at the capital in Austin
yesterday for open carrying c&b revolvers. This time they were
reportedly arrested for trespass at the capital, as opposed to a different charge last month. It is not very clear what the result of the last court hearing was from the capital arrests last month.
This group does have the support if some state officials, re: their rally at the Alamo
a couple of weeks ago.
Two protesters got arrested by the DPS again at the capital in Austin
yesterday for open carrying c&b revolvers. This time they were
reportedly arrested for trespass at the capital, as opposed to a different charge last month. It is not very clear what the result of the last court hearing was from the capital arrests last month.
This group does have the support if some state officials, re: their rally at the Alamo
a couple of weeks ago.
Kennydale
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The person with knife in the table box was a high school student who was unlucky enough report to the school, he had forgot to remove it.
theotherwaldo
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Y'all are making it tough for me. I'm in the process of applying for a job in the city of Austin.
elhombreconnonombre
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Dont you worry about that. Come on down. Despite movie myths to the contrary, Texas has had restrictive carry laws since the 1870s. Regarding these latest protests/arrests, charges were for criminal trespass, not disorderly conduct with calculation of alarm or some such thing like the arrests in Sept.
elhombreconnonombre
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I believe these were the SAME guys.
Deltaboy1984
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Sorry I have carried my BP Pistol and Bowie in Butternutt Uniform and I questioned one time. The sarge got up told the rookie to set back down and eat , told me sorry an and asked where I was renacting at.
As for this case IMO the Police should have exercise their power to check it out and just walk away. This is a case made cause the Law wanted to push their power to arrest anybody for anything. I hope the Police pay for this.
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elhombreconnonombre
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As I recall the open carry supporters with the cb revolvers this latest incident were asked to leave the state capital grounds by the dps leos and refused, thus the arrest and charge of criminal trespass. I believe the charges were dropped for the previous open carry protest.
The trespass charges will likely be dropped as well IMHO since the capital grounds are used for free speech activities and protests all the time.
The trespass charges will likely be dropped as well IMHO since the capital grounds are used for free speech activities and protests all the time.
Lawdawg45
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Perhaps we could pursue an intelligent way to rally change of state laws, since we have decades of failure to look upon from the college crowd and their sit in protests. Nothing, I repeat nothing was changed by their activity, and the continual arrests of these men only harms our public opinion and perception.
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Tcruse
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My state rep responded that hearings on the subject were planed and that "review of the officers conduct" is in progress by DPS. So, generally our reps are in favor of changing TX law to allow open carry. This might be something to further that movement.
Mike1234567
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Any links??
Tcruse
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"One thing I've noticed is that people often do this sort of thing to push the boundaries without really considering all the possible outcomes. Often they seem to be intentionally and determinedly oblivious (i.e. continue to pretend it can't happen even when advised otherwise) to the possibilty that the outcome could be a permanent restriction that didn't exist before. " agreed, however, unless the understanding is clear to all parties, you have an environment that is worse than a permanent restriction, allowing the law to be selectively enforced.
"A permanent restriction" may very well get enough press that the legislators would take action to change the law.
"A permanent restriction" may very well get enough press that the legislators would take action to change the law.
I've talked with one TSRA employee and another person who does works closely with TSRA and they both indicate that there isn't much support from the membership to push for open carry and that's why they haven't pursued it.
It would surprise me to find that there's more support in the legislature than there is amongst the TSRA membership.
It might, or it might not. It could rally enough support from the TSRA membership to mobilize TSRA support for the law, or it might not. Given the information I've gotten from the TSRA, I wouldn't bet on a positive outcome. From what I have gathered, there isn't much mainstream support for open carry in TX. And I'm talking mainstream gun owners, not mainstream general population.
The other bit of information I've gathered is that there is a significantly different perception of reality between the open carry supporters in TX and the rest of gun owners. The OC supporters seem to be solidly convinced that they have a lot of support from the gun community and are "doing god's work" while the more mainstream gunowners in TX tend to see them as fanatics and, in my experience, often voice the opinion that they are hurting the overall cause of gun rights.
That's why I'm not at all optimistic that pushing the issue right now would have a positive outcome.
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Mike1234567
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FWIW, if OC was legal in TX I wouldn't do it because I'd rather keep bad guys guessing. However, I DO want OC to be legal if I so choose. That stated, I still need to get my CHL.
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