Tell me about H&K Pistols

They typically work right out of the box and they hold their value, generally speaking, better than any other brand if you take care of them.

For ME, the perfect 9mm ever created is the P30L. So far I have not been able to justify any other 9mm handgun purchases because this one is so ideal in every way. If you plan to have a gun for at least 5-10 years, it would be worth it to spend a few hundred bucks more. It is worth it.

The P7 series and P30 are the only HK handguns I have had any interest in.

The P30 felt every bit as good/ergonomic in my hand as my Walther P99/PPQ, and the OOB trigger also fely every bit as good as my Walther's.

But the price differential between the HK's and Walther's (which already takes some heat for being more expensive than Glocks and other similar polymer guns) precluded my picking up a P30.

The P30 felt every bit as good/ergonomic in my hand as my Walther P99/PPQ, and the OOB trigger also fely every bit as good as my Walther's.

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what is an OOB trigger ?

RussB said:

what is an OOB trigger ?

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OOB=Out Of Box

To me the price point is negligible since it's the only gun I trust my life with. I carried others and this is the only gun that went bang every time I pulled the trigger with great accuracy.

I can say the exact same thing about several makes/models of guns I've either owned or currently own: Ruger, Colt, Springfield, Taurus, Walther, and CZ.

My Walther's (P99AS and PPQ) just "fit" the best of any gun I've owned. The P30 I handled at a gun shop felt just as good. I have no doubt it would have shot just as reliably and as accurately as my two Walther's.

All other things being equal, then, it came down to price. I wasn't paying $1,000+ for a gun that was virtually identical to two I already owned.

Maybe I missed the actual model # you're talking about but if you mean the linked one (to the OP) $1200 is a terrible price! That gun is work $875, $900 tops. With all guns it pays to shop around but especially with HKs. CrossCreek is one of the best places to buy; great prices and service.

Also, some dealers subscribe to this theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffen_good

Also, some dealers subscribe to this theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffen_good

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Close, but Veblen is more accurate:

Some types of premium goods (such as expensive French wines, or celebrity-endorsed perfumes) are sometimes claimed to be Giffen goods. It is claimed that lowering the price of these high status goods can decrease demand because they are no longer perceived as exclusive or high status products. However, the perceived nature of such high status goods changes significantly with a substantial price drop. This disqualifies them from being considered as Giffen goods, because the Giffen goods analysis assumes that only the consumer's income or the relative price level changes, not the nature of the good itself. If a price change modifies consumers' perception of the good, they should be analysed as Veblen goods.

Quick Shot said:

Overpriced HKs are for snobs and suckers.

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I don't see it that way. Even if I don't get one, I like having the choice.

H&K envy!.........and you say its for snobs?

Sour grapes! ....and you say its for suckers?

I paid $400 for my USP. That makes me a sucker? I've bought new and I've bought used... always felt I received value for my money. There are great deals on HKs if you look for them. An Elite from CDNN at $899 for example. Paying $3500 for a 1911... that's approaching suckerville IMHO.

If you doubt the quality or value then don't buy a HK.

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Paying $3500 for a 1911... that's approaching suckerville IMHO.

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I find it rather ironic that you defend one and attack another.

Just where is this sane price point in your mind?

Paying $3500 for a 1911... that's approaching suckerville IMHO.

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There are basically three types of people who pay that kind of money for a 1911.

1) A competitive shooter who actually needs that level of performance.

2) A person who considers three or four grand chump change, does not bat an eye at dropping that kind of scratch on a toy.

3) Someone looking for status/bragging rights.

I'd add...

4) A collector or someone who enjoys appreciating very high-end and/or custom guns as objets d'art.

and:

5.) Someone whose sense of self worth is predicated on the possession of a 1911* and directly proportional to the monetary value of the firearm*.




*or other item, though IME it is either firearms or motor vehicles of a given make.

My biceps are scrawny, so I'm getting this:

I hope it comes with a matching man purse.

While looking at that very...elaborate...firearm, this song was running through my head.

I mean that as a compliment.
















Kickin' song.

1) A competitive shooter who actually needs that level of performance.
2) A person who considers three or four grand chump change, does not bat an eye at dropping that kind of scratch on a toy.
3) Someone looking for status/bragging rights.
4) A collector or someone who enjoys appreciating very high-end and/or custom guns as objets d'art.
5.) Someone whose sense of self worth is predicated on the possession of a 1911* and directly proportional to the monetary value of the firearm*.

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As I asked earlier gentlemen... Where is the price point??

There are people here who cannot afford a HiPoint and there are ones that can afford six figure guns. As multiple comments allude to in this thread.. There is a division somewhere that you go from your average every day Joe to an Elitist.. I just find it odd.

Course the same arguments are played out over Glass, Shotguns, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Looking at that gun almost sent me into a seizure. Some of the detail is cool, but there is way too much going on there.

I'd add...

4) A collector or someone who enjoys appreciating very high-end and/or custom guns as objets d'art.

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Agreed, though more often than not this collector seems to be buyer type #2. I consider myself a collector, and I'm not afraid to spend decent money, but a Nighthawk just doesn't appeal to me on any level at its price point.

The non-wealthy collector who pays $3k, $4K for a 1911 is probably buying a piece of history, not a modern custom. That kind of money for an unissued 98% WWI or WWII gun makes a lot more sense to me.

If I was making half a million annually, I probably would buy a Les Baer or something similar. But then, my upland bird gun would probably be a Beretta 682EELL instead of an Ithaca 37 lightweight, and I'd be driving a 2013 Cummins rather than my 1990 Comanche.

I'm looking at an HK USP Elite for $1300 with 3 12 round magazines, is it worth it?

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There are a lot of Elite's suddenly on the market recently (I don't know why) they used to be fairly uncommon amongst HK fare. Given this recent glut I think I would shop around a bit for a better price.

A fair price is for anything is that which someone is willing to pay. HK's and elites are great pistols.

Good luck.

The non-wealthy collector who pays $3k, $4K for a 1911 is probably buying a piece of history, not a modern custom. That kind of money for an unissued 98% WWI or WWII gun makes a lot more sense to me.

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Sorry I'm the opposite.. If I drop that kind of coin I wanna shoot it, shoot it some more, and attempt to wear it out.. I have no room in my safes for queens....