The Defeat of Nuclear Power and Banning Guns --Using Ecomonics to Achieve Goals

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There are a lot of people who feel real strong against nuclear power.
It's a free country, they are entitled to their opinon, and we will not be debating the pro's and con's of that issue.

However, it is very important to understand the tactics and the weapons that were used in this country to decimate the nuclear power industry. Not being able to prove that nuclear power was unsafe, or to get it legislated out of existence, the enemies of nuclear power applied the most powerful weapon of all -- economics. They were able to make nuclear power too expensive to be a viable form of energy production in this country. It takes so long to build a plant, that by the time it is online, the accrued interest on the amount financed during construction and approval makes the power from that plant too expensive to be competitive.

The same tactics will be used to fight against the exercise of Second Amendment rights. Make the buying, selling, owning and shooting of guns very expensive and there will be a lot less of it.

There are several avenues of attack.

1) Tax each bullet and each gun.

2) Use the courts to make the liability associated with selling guns so high that selling will be discouraged. This will also raise the cost of buying guns.

3) Make the ownership of guns very expensive. NYC used to make handgun owners renew their ownership permits every two years at a very high price.

4) Make it very expensive to shoot. This can be done by using environmental and OSHA laws against gun ranges.
 
What "might" be done isn't the same as what is being done or what will be done.

Other than ticking off boogy men, what do you propose that would help?
 
what do you propose that would help
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Many used to be fond of saying, "I disagree with your position, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."

I think we need a media campaign to reeducate the public that gunrights are civil rights. I would have the NRA put up bill boards and take out ads which say things like the following:

"Gun Rights Are Civil Rights -- Think About It"

"Prohibitive Fees on Guns and Ammunition Are a Poll Tax"

"High taxes on bullets is like making birth control cost $10,000 per year."

"The Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms -- Defend it or Amend it"

"The origin of most guns laws was to keep ex-slaves from having guns"

"The oath to defend and protect the Constitution includes the Second Amendment."
 
I like this. ^^

It's actually my way of educating (Never debating. Never.) People on gun rights.
 
The same people who say crime is economically motivated, of course. Why aren't they dis-incentivizing that activity? I've always said it should be possible to get the anti-crime gun "soft" antis on our side, since we have the same goals. The "hardened" anti liberty crowd/statists, well, all we can do is oppose them


TCB
 
As an "anti-crime gun "soft" anti" (as barnbwt describes it, which I think is actually a good description), I can tell you that none of those billboards would be effective in swaying my views on the need for improved regulation of firearms.
 
Regulation of firearms has done nothing to stem the flow of violent crime. The only people that gun laws effect are the law abiding gun owners. To state other wise is just silly. Rather than punish those of us that follow the law how about we enforce the laws we have and actually impose sentences that mean something.
 
Most of the gun control activities are based on prejudice--that all gun owners and guns are inherently evil--and therefore are based on bigotry. Many proposed laws blatantly try to limit access for the less affluent through taxes, insurance, permits, whatever. This is discrimination against the less affluent, bigotry that the less affluent are inherently evil.

Some of the original gun laws were meant to prevent blacks from owning firearms. Now the definition of n****r has been expanded to include anyone who owns firearms. We need to call bigotry for what it is and go after these laws and the people behind them based on discrimination and bigotry.
 
What's been described here is exactly how the folks in Washington are operating right now on a broad variety of issues....

November 2014 - it just can't come soon enough....
 
These are very thoughtful points. However, there is no constitutional amendment the guarantees "the right to nuclear power shall not be..." etc.
 
hso said:
What "might" be done isn't the same as what is being done or what will be done.

Other than ticking off boogy men, what do you propose that would help?
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Do your research, get out there & VOTE & vote Conservative..................
 
More has to be done by gun owners than VOTE. Each of us must make the effort to be proactive instead of waiting for that last chance to do something to save ourselves, vote. We must do more than complain and wait.

Donate, volunteer, write, email, visit your elected officials when they're in the district, join both national and state RKBA organizations, instead of whining about ammo and gun prices send the money you might have spent to an RKBA organization, if you don't have money do what goon did in Activism and sell off a magazine or one of the endless firearms related items no longer in use and send that money to an RKBA organization, join the party with the weakest RKBA stance in your district and work to strengthen the local RKBA position, use the resources in Activism to add your voice when issues raise their heads.
 
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These are very thoughtful points. However, there is no constitutional amendment the guarantees "the right to nuclear power shall not be..." etc.
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You are right we are not guaranteed nuclear power, or any electricity for that matter, but that doesn't change the premise of what he is saying. The "antis", be it nuclear or gun, have used these tactics in the past and they worked. It never hurts to look at other battles, even if they seem to have little in common with yours, to try and glean tactical knowledge from both sides.

In this example the "anti" side won. While they haven't fully eradicated nuclear power they have effectively legislated and regulated it into a death spiral by making it too expensive for investors and consumers.

We saw after Newtown that our "antis" not only want to ban guns but when that doesn't work that they are perfectly fine with just "doing something" like raising the taxes we pay guns and ammo, requiring training classes, banning lead ammunition, and making every gun owner buy liability insurance just to own guns. Granted most of these were state level and not national and most failed but all of these things were proposed and would raise the cost of gun ownership out of the reach of several working class families. These families not being able to afford guns is not only a violation of their rights, but it also make them dependent on others for protection and is likely to make them disdain those who are more fortunate than them and own guns and therefore do not have to rely on the government for protection. This is just as much a win for the "antis" as banning "assault weapons" or "high capacity" magazines as they know that we are suffering the Death of a Thousand Cuts and will soon lose all of our guns.

Remember we are not fighting a single battle here but an entire war, if you will. We have suffered many defeats as has our enemy, but neither of us are defeated our sides might shrink and go underground but it is important to remember that we must not surrender anything to the other side as that is just more that we will have to fight to get back later. In essence make them fight for everything that they get, make it hurt them more than it hurts us that is the only way we will ever win this and even then they will still be among us just waiting for their chance to rise and strike again.
 
Well said HSO.... I'd add that it's not a bad idea to try to change opinions one person at a time when the opportunity arises.... and never give up, ever (that's the way the other side goes about their business when not busy doing things that would make a sailor blush...). All you have to do is watch the nightly news to see just how bad the anti-s and their allies are willing to be to get their way.... Wish it wern't so - but wishing isn't enough for any of us...
 
Look at what our "leaders" have gotten away with and trust me, there is no shame in their game. They are just waiting for the right time and little by little is their mo.
 
hso said:
More has to be done by gun owners than VOTE. Each of us must make the effort to be proactive instead of waiting for that last chance to do something to save ourselves, vote. We must do more than complain and wait.

Donate, volunteer, write, email, visit your elected officials when they're in the district, join both national and state RKBA organizations, instead of whining about ammo and gun prices send the money you might have spent to an RKBA organization, if you don't have money do what goon did in Activism and sell off a magazine or one of the endless firearms related items no longer in use and send that money to an RKBA organization, join the party with the weakest RKBA stance in your district and work to strengthen the local RKBA position, use the resources in Activism to add your voice when issues raise their heads.
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I still say we need a (LIKE) button !..............
 
Really, maybe after I get my life together, I might become a lawyer. I figure I can do more for gun rights, and all civil rights, as a lawyer than I can as just about anything else.

Like it or not, the courts have made a lot of difference in this game... both for and against the 2nd Amendment.

303tom said:
Do your research, get out there & VOTE & vote Conservative..................
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That eliminates the support of anyone who isn't conservative but who still supports RKBA. Believe it or not, I know people from the entire political spectrum, even a howling socialist (a real socialist) who strongly support the Second Amendment. The thing is that with many people, they have to try to choose between different issues when they vote. If they support RKBA but also support gay rights, they may have to make a choice at election day about which issue is most important to them.

It's looking less and less like a good strategy to try to vote conservative and hope that you can stave off attacks on the RKBA for the next decade until you lose your hold.
A better approach would be to build a coalition of people from many different points of view to defend the Second Amendment.
 
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WE have people from the entire political spectrum here at THR and a higher percentage of the "not my kind of folks" people that some folks want to exclude are avid supporters of RKBA. In many ways they're more dedicated since they may fly in the face of expectations from both sides. They're breaking trail for the RKBA community instead of ploughing the same familiar field.
 
hso said:
WE have people from the entire political spectrum here at THR and a higher percentage of the "not my kind of folks" people that some folks want to exclude are avid supporters of RKBA. In many ways they're more dedicated since they may fly in the face of expectations from both sides. They're breaking trail for the RKBA community instead of ploughing the same familiar field.
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Agreed.

Also agree with poster that said we need a Like button. Certainly would shorten threads with less duplication.
 
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