Looking For a 9mm Pistol; Kind of Picky

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1. Has no MIM parts. Let's not turn this into a MIM debate. I've read the pros and cons of MIM and would prefer something without MIM.
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Err, well, if you want a pistol that is 100% MIM-free you'll have to step far and away above a Glock budget.

You're talking about needing to do 1 of 2 things:
a.) Special order from Wilson/Baer/Fusion/C&S, etc., or
b.) Source the MIM replacement parts for pistol Xx, and have those MIM parts swapped out.

Either way, not sure of how/where you figure Glocks are MIM-free pistols?
 
How about a new Ruger SR9?

Frankly I have XDs, Glocks and Ruigers and they work fine. The S&W M&Ps are good to go also, of course you then have the Berettas, Sigs, etc etc.

You suffer from paralysis by analysis. Go with what is proven to work, i.e, any of the above.
 
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How about a new Ruger SR9?

Frankly I have XDs, Glocks and Ruigers and they work fine. The S&W M&Ps are good to go also, of course you then have the Berettas, Sigs, etc etc.

You suffer from paralysis by analysis. Go with what is proven to work, i.e, any of the above.
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Since Ruger was one of the pioneers using MIM, the SR9c would be out.
 
I have a Glock 19 gen 3 that has 4,054rds(yes I'm a little OCD) through it in two years, which is not a lot, but a good bit none the less and it has all factory parts except night sights and has run with no part breakage. You could replace the MIM parts, just test them well to make sure they work, before you carry it. You might want to look at the Walther P99 AS, very nice pistol. The Magnum Research magazines for their copy of the P99 will work as well as being cheaper than the Walther mags, they are made by the same company Mec gar.
 
Err, well, if you want a pistol that is 100% MIM-free you'll have to step far and away above a Glock budget.

You're talking about needing to do 1 of 2 things:
a.) Special order from Wilson/Baer/Fusion/C&S, etc., or
b.) Source the MIM replacement parts for pistol Xx, and have those MIM parts swapped out.

Either way, not sure of how/where you figure Glocks are MIM-free pistols?
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Not true the CZ 75 series at 100% MIM free and are around the price of a glock.

I think your being to picky. I bought a new Gen 3 glock 17 and like you worry about it had reliable issues and I'm sure it's from the MIM extractor. But at the same time almost all plastic guns use it so It's not the easiest thing to get away from.
 
I think you're just being too picky, find whichever brand name pistol fits you best and buy 2 of them. Then go practice shooting.
 
You might want to consider the Sig p229 in 9mm, or the CZ P-01. I've tried many times to "convince" myself to go Glock, but they just don't feel right in my hand, the Sigs and CZ's immediately became second nature to me. As always though, YMMV.

1. The MIM part restriction are probably something you'll need to relax, unless you're willing to find aftermarket replacement parts, or jump to a much more expensive type of pistol that will run against your #2 and #2 criteria below.

2. Magazines are affortable and currently readily available for both (Mecgar).

3. Spare parts are also readily available from a great many sources.

4. Both meet the basic size objective. Both have good capacity magazine size - 15+1 rounds in the Mecgar p228/p229 mag, 14+1 for the CZ P-01.

5. Both are well-reknowned for reliability and accuracy.

6. I think these would meet your bore axis objective.

7. Both have numerous safety features.
 
I'm almost tempted to think this guy is trolling. To be quite honest you're not going to find all of those in one "perfect" gun. Sounds like the Glock 19 is where you want to be.
 
Comments from Glock talk:

Some people say the change to MiM started in 07, one of them who I respect is a LEO who I have shot with competitively for over twenty years. The department he works for went with Glock early on in 1988,he has constantly been a certified Glock armor for his department.

I do not know the exact truth of the date Glock started the switch to certain MiMed parts,Glock isn't about to put that in print. He has told me that the first MiMed locking blocks he had seen were in January of 07, I'll take him at his word.

So for my money I'll stick to a date of 12/06, that said the newest complete Glock I have is a 11/05.
I am absolutely sure there is not a single MiMed anything in that gun.

SJ 40

FROM THE GT SERIAL NUMBER LIST:

HUG-xxx G-22 3.0 2005-12-01 would be the last issue of the "good" (totally non-MIM) Glocks
KPA-xxx G-23 3.0 2006-12-01 "stick-to date"

=> OP: The earlier Gen3 Glock 19 best suits your criteria. Or a Gen2 19 if you can find one.


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"I am wanting a new 9mm pistol...has no MIM parts."

No, you want an older 9mm pistol.
 
Aside from magazines and spare parts an HK P7M13 would fit perfectly.

Honestly I think your criteria combine to form a mutually exclusive relationship among 9mm pistols. Cheap mags are your Achilles heel in this instance. If you got rid of that one then your options would be wide open.
 
Yeah, I kind of figured I'd have to relax some of my criteria to find something that works (beyond tracking down an older Glock 19). As some have pointed out, there are just too many options out there (not really a bad thing though, is it?). I'm thinking a CZ range rental is in order though; maybe I can learn to live with the smaller slide. Still thinking about all the options though, thanks guys.
 
bring back 3 gen S&W

3913,3914, 5903, 5906,6906 (I like stainless) value line is OK too. Reliability is job 1. Sorry, not much glam factor, but you grow to love them; consider 4516/457? (could always have alloy frame re-anodized in color...)
TF
 
The only handgun I know that would qualify for the fantasy criteria, a custom 1911. Not any better or reliable than all the other reliable weapons with MIM parts.

Frankly a machine with quality MIM parts is much more reliable than a machine with low quality forged/machined parts. If you feel that strongly about MIM parts I strongly suggest you no longer use modern aircraft or automobiles both of which use MIM in their critical safety parts and engine controls.

We used to have forged/machined parts that break too. My favorite example was the Hipower. When it came out in 40 S&W the forged frames could not handle the stressors of the 40. 9mm no problem. So they now cast all HiPower frames, and they don't break. Simply amazing.

Go figure.

Go figure.

Fred
 
The only handgun I know that would qualify for the fantasy criteria, a custom 1911. Not any better or reliable than all the other reliable weapons with MIM parts.

Frankly a machine with quality MIM parts is much more reliable than a machine with low quality forged/machined parts. If you feel that strongly about MIM parts I strongly suggest you no longer use modern aircraft or automobiles both of which use MIM in their critical safety parts and engine controls.

We used to have forged/machined parts that break too. My favorite example was the Hipower. When it came out in 40 S&W the forged frames could not handle the stressors of the 40. 9mm no problem. So they now cast all HiPower frames, and they don't break. Simply amazing.

Go figure.

Go figure.

Fred
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Very well said!!

Besides the most common parts to cause malfunctions in firearms are springs in the firearm itself and the magazine.

User proficiency with a firearm, or lack of it, will determine success as a self defense weapon much much more so than if it has MIM parts or not.
 
I think the biggest problem with MIM parts isn't that it's MIM but that they are more commonly out of spec than machined parts. If both parts are made to the exact same spec I wouldn't think you would see a difference for a couple 1000's rounds.
 
Example of Glock MIM parts. Broken locking blocks, firing pins, voids in the metal. In the case of the extractor, Glock has slightly changed the configuration (MIM is right one). Now we have the erratic ejection problem after a few hundred or thousand rounds that a number of owners complain about.

MIM may be a new manufacturing technique, but in this case perhaps poorly executed.

Ed Brown states he uses no MIM parts.

"Do Ed Brown handguns have any MIM (metal injection molded) parts?"

"No, we use no MIM parts in Ed Brown firearms. While the current thinking is that MIM parts are "good enough" for firearm applications, this thinking doesn't fit with our philosophy at all. All Ed Brown parts are made from either forgings, bar stock steel, or quality investment castings."


Good luck

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I know....I still catch myself thinking "Made in Mexico" from time to time. To much time spent reading about the Fender Squire line over the years.

It's funny, though, that "MIM" is less desirable in both the gun and guitar world.
 
Seems like older 9mm Clocks were more trouble free. I was most impressed with the fit and finish of my gen 2.

If you want great quality, get an HK. But the mags aren't cheap because they don't farm them out.

Agree about a German P228.

The ultimate budget fighting gun is an FEG HiPower. Forged parts, cheap mags.

A Turkish CZ type is another way to go.

Maybe a Beretta or Stoeger Cougar or S&W 6903?
 
Seems like older 9mm Clocks were more trouble free. I was most impressed with the fit and finish of my gen 2.
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Early gen 2. Glocks were recalled because of safety issues. The gen 3's are the best of them all.
 
I think you would be doing yourself a real disservice my sticking to this criteria without at least shooting the guns in question.

As far as size and capacity limitations. I think the CZ P 07 duty should fit your basic criteria well.
 
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