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I have friend in the hospital who is lucky to be alive because he is of the mind of "it can't happen to me.". Hunting with a Mossberg semi in 3.5" magnum loaded with 00 buck. Shot a turkey he didn't quite kill. Left gun loaded and probably off-safe. Used gun as club to kill turkey. Shot in left leg almost in the groin. He will need a new hip, new end for the femur and MUCH rehab. Life-flitted to level 1trama center. Missed the femoral artery. I stopped hunting with him a year ago for unsafe gun handling. I hope this makes an impression.
 
Idiot. (Sorry about the suffering he must endure.) Still an idiot.

We invented spears because they are better than clubs.
We invented bow and arrows because they are better than spears.
We invented guns because they are better than bow and arrows.

He took two evolution steps backward. He should be grateful to be alive.
 
I lost a friend a few years ago when he was shooting P dogs off the hood of his truck in CO. Went to get something, gun started to slide of the hood, he went to grab it, and as he grabbed the barrel as the stock hit the ground, a 22-250 took his head off............this was a guy with 50 years of shooting, so it isn't limited to newbies - as the old Hill Street Blues Sarge used to say...."Let's be careful out there"
 
Hunting with a Mossberg semi in 3.5" magnum loaded with 00 buck. Shot a turkey he didn't quite kill.

A bit off topic, but that doesn't seem to be an optimum turkey load. So he was actually hunting something else and the turkey was a target of opportunity?
 
I am very sorry to read of your friend's misfortune. While some people are accident prone, it still is tragic when they die or have permanent injuries. Hopefully the story of the accident might help someone else avoid a similar injury or worse.

What he did reminded me of the article titled "Hair Triggers and Hare Brains" in the Oct 1947 American Rifleman magazine. There were all sorts of negligent discharge stories, one involving a duck hunter "proving" that his shotgun was empty by putting the muzzle against his head and saying "No maw, See?" before he pulled the trigger. It was loaded and his Mom must have been traumatized to her dying day.

And this one

And when Paul Woodruff, Jr. tried clubbing a raccoon to death, his shotgun discharged and removed some of his very important insides. Paul Sr. grabbed his dying son's gun and continued swatting the hardy coon. Barrel No 2 let go, and Mrs Woodruff told the undertaker: Make it two!"

There is nothing new under the sun.
 
He was hunting deer and had two fearless helpers (stupid people) driving deer to him. The turkey ran out first. I have told him I felt shooting poor defenseless deer with that much firepower was a bit of overkill.
 
So, do shotguns (and rifles) in general not have any kind of drop-safety like handguns do? I've been wondering about this, since looking at my Mossburg 590, it looks like the hammer rests right on the firing pin when de-cocked.

So basically, round in the chamber on a long gun, strike the butt against the ground, and kaboom? Regardless of the safety switch position?
 
Anyone who would even consider using an expensive gun, loaded or not, to 'Club' a game animal deserves everything they got!!

That's just way beyond 'Dumb as a Sack full of Rocks' stupid!
On too many levels to mention them all.

rc
 
So, do shotguns (and rifles) in general not have any kind of drop-safety like handguns do? I've been wondering about this, since looking at my Mossburg 590, it looks like the hammer rests right on the firing pin when de-cocked.

So basically, round in the chamber on a long gun, strike the butt against the ground, and kaboom? Regardless of the safety switch position?
I have seen a Mossberg bolt action 30-06 go off when it was bumped hard from falling with the safety on.
 
it looks like the hammer rests right on the firing pin when de-cocked.
Yes, it does.

But there is no possible way to get a loaded round in the chamber with it de-cocked.

It cocks every time when you pump the action to load a round in the chamber.
The only way to de-cock it is, to pull the trigger on the loaded round and fire it.
Or snap it on an empty chamber.

rc
 
I guess what I'm getting at is, there's nothing like Ruger's transfer bar which prevents the hammer from hitting the pin unless the trigger is actually pulled.

So if an impact makes the hammer fall, the shotgun/rifle can fire without ever pulling the trigger, right?

I would think that the AR15 would have some kind of drop safe feature to it, since guys carry those into combat locked 'n loaded, and I'm sure the guns get banged around a lot during the course of their patrol.


For the record, I leave the chamber empty unless I'm actually getting ready to fire right that moment. So it's kinda a moot point for me, I'm just curious :D
 
Sounds like your friend mentally formed the wrong idea of what a "gun club" was :)


I have told him I felt shooting poor defenseless deer with that much firepower was a bit of overkill.
Huh? I don't follow you here at all. A 12 gauge is a very commonly used weapon to hunt deer with in a good many areas, and would hardly be considered "overkill" by anyone. Too...if he merely WOUNDED a turkey with it.....what on earth makes you think its OVERPOWERED for an animal that weighs 5-10x as much as the average turkey?!?!?!?!?
 
Honda offroad products had an ad campaign a few years ago for safety. It's slogan was "Stupid Hurts".

I hope your friend learns a valuable lesson and recovers quickly.
 
Quote: ... bit of overkill.

What?

3.5" magnum 00 buck. Musta been stalking Bambizilla.

Not that using a shotgun loaded with 2 3/4" standard buck as a club would have been smarter. I could tell tales on a certain person I know with a spider phobia but luckily that did not result in an ND.

My rule Number 1: Treat all firearms with the respect due a lethal weapon, especially the unloaded ones and the range toys.
 
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I have told him I felt shooting poor defenseless deer with that much firepower was a bit of overkill.
Uhhhhh....there's a reason they call it buckshot. Think about it for a few days and maybe it will come to you.
 
I guess what I'm getting at is, there's nothing like Ruger's transfer bar which prevents the hammer from hitting the pin unless the trigger is actually pulled.

So if an impact makes the hammer fall, the shotgun/rifle can fire without ever pulling the trigger, right?

I would think that the AR15 would have some kind of drop safe feature to it, since guys carry those into combat locked 'n loaded, and I'm sure the guns get banged around a lot during the course of their patrol.


For the record, I leave the chamber empty unless I'm actually getting ready to fire right that moment. So it's kinda a moot point for me, I'm just curious :D
OPERATION OF MAGAZINE DISCONNECT
Your RUGER® SR-SERIES pistol is equipped with a magazine disconnect.
This device prevents firing if the magazine is removed from the pistol. You will
not be able to use your SR-SERIES pistol as a single loader (unless you place
one cartridge in the magazine and insert it into the pistol) or to fire the pistol
with the magazine out of the pistol.
Do not load the pistol until you are ready to use it, and
unload it immediately when you have completed shooting.
(See “Warning - Unloading” on page 19.)
If dropped or struck, the pistol may fire. Keep chamber
empty unless actually firing! Use the safety lever before
moving with pistol or when not actually firing.
For maximum safety when carrying the pistol with a
loaded magazine in place, the chamber should be empty,
the slide should be closed, and the safety should be in the
“ON” position. If placed into a holster, check it to be sure
that the slide is not retracted far enough to chamber a
cartridge from the magazine.
The user should never depend on any mechanical device
to justify careless handling or permitting the pistol to
point in an unsafe direction. The shooter should always be
alert to the possibility of accidental discharge. The
only absolutely safe pistol is one in which the slide is
open, the chamber is empty, and there is no magazine
in the gun.
WARNING - HANDLING
ANY GUN MAY FIRE IF DROPPED
Just a heads up on dropping a pistol. From Ruger SR manual.

It's very unfortunate when people learn the hard way. Hopefully his life is not to restricted from here on.
 
So, do shotguns (and rifles) in general not have any kind of drop-safety like handguns do? I've been wondering about this, since looking at my Mossburg 590, it looks like the hammer rests right on the firing pin when de-cocked.

So basically, round in the chamber on a long gun, strike the butt against the ground, and kaboom? Regardless of the safety switch position?

It has to be a hard enough hit to disengage the sear, but correct, no long gun that I'm aware of has a passive safety that will prevent the firing pin from contacting the primer unless the trigger is pulled.

I would think that the AR15 would have some kind of drop safe feature to it, since guys carry those into combat locked 'n loaded, and I'm sure the guns get banged around a lot during the course of their patrol.

No drop safety, but unlike many long guns in which the safetly prevents only trigger travel, in an AR/M-16, the safety mechanically prevents sear movement, as the sear and trigger are one piece. Only way an AR on safe is going to discharge is from an inertial firing pin strike, or a physically broken sear or hammer hook.
 
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