There Is No Better 45, Than a Ruger P Series 45

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No one has given any evidence that their Sig, Glock, XD, M&P or whatever, is better in any way. Are they more reliable? NO. Are they more accurate? NO. Were they cheaper to purchase? NO. Are they better built? NO. Many people dont like the look of the P series. does that make a pistol you do like the looks of, a better pistol? The only advantage I see, could be capacity.

It is rare that you will see a clear cut "better" in the majority of circumstances. "Better" is so subjective. Is a Rolls Royce better than a Toyota Camry? It is certainly not more reliable. It darn sure isn't cheaper to purchase. They're no better built, not from a longevity standpoint anyway. Are they better? Depends on who you ask.

So as far as evidence that there are better pistols than the Ruger P series, there isn't any.
To you they may be the best .45 out there.
To me that distinction would go to a Sig Sauer P220.
No doubt many here would give one 1911 or another the nod.

No one is wrong. It's "personal".
 
No one has given any evidence that their Sig, Glock, XD, M&P or whatever, is better in any way. Are they more reliable? NO. Are they more accurate? NO. Were they cheaper to purchase? NO.

I think they (the Glocks) may have been cheaper. Glock has made a number of sweetheart deals to law enforcement organizations, giving them top dollar for their trade ins, and very low purchase prices for their new Glocks. That has been a marvelous "marketing" approach and it has helped spread the name of Glock around the U.S. IF they had not done that, it would have taken them MANY MORE years to have achieved the same level of public awareness.

Ruger and some other firms were seemingly less willing to cut prices to BUY their way into the LEO market. They all seem to be doing pretty well, so it just boils down to business philosophies...
 
My idjit son in law pawned his inherited grandfathers P90.
Did not find out in time.
Not gonna say what I'd like to do to him!!!
Every family has their toadies. My ( in the family forever ) Winchester 45 70 went the way of the wind, & my brain dead step son sold the FILs original 300 Savage 99. I did love the action on the 300 Savage.
 
It is rare that you will see a clear cut "better" in the majority of circumstances. "Better" is so subjective. Is a Rolls Royce better than a Toyota Camry? It is certainly not more reliable. It darn sure isn't cheaper to purchase. They're no better built, not from a longevity standpoint anyway. Are they better? Depends on who you ask.

So as far as evidence that there are better pistols than the Ruger P series, there isn't any.
To you they may be the best .45 out there.
To me that distinction would go to a Sig Sauer P220.
No doubt many here would give one 1911 or another the nod.

No one is wrong. It's "personal".
The old 1911s could be dropped in the mud - given a good shake & bang.
 
My little Firestar .45 ( for the money ), as reliable as a .45 can be. Many many 1,000s of rounds run through it, and not a single hang up. Other than tweaking new magazines. I'd like a lanyard ring - fitting.
 
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I actually kind of envy the OP!:D I sure wish I would have been satisfied with the first $300 pistol I ever bought...would have saved me thousands of dollars on HKs down the road!:)

If the old Ruger P is your favorite gun, you're lucky to have found it. Different strokes for different folks. It should serve you well, it's a tank of a gun.
 
On a more serious note, I just consider pronouncements like the OPs as pubescent, sophomoric silliness...nothing more. :cool:
 
weblance said:
No one has given any evidence that their Sig, Glock, XD, M&P or whatever, is better in any way. Are they more reliable? NO. Are they more accurate? NO. Were they cheaper to purchase? NO. Are they better built? NO. Many people dont like the look of the P series. does that make a pistol you do like the looks of, a better pistol? The only advantage I see, could be capacity.
Actually with the exception of a no sights 20+ lb trigger pull AMT Backup I had my P97 has been the least accurate 45 I've owned. My Kahr CW45 is as accurate as it was and is much smaller and slimmer for carry and has been 100% reliable it also cost less than the P97. My LE surplus P220 Sig is a better gun in every way (slimmer,more accurate and just as reliable) and cost the same as my P97 did once I added the cost of night sights (which the p220 came with) It also has much better aftermarket support, a good ccw holster is a difficult find for Ruger P series. I won't even start on the 1911s cause if you're satisfied with a Ruger P series accuracy you wouldn't understand.
 
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On a more serious note, I just consider pronouncements like the OPs as pubescent, sophomoric silliness...nothing more.

Agreed. Its kind of like saying, "My wife/girlfriend is the most beautiful person on earth." Which is absurd because mine is...........:uhoh:
 
This thread was entertaining on the other forum as well.

The OP needs to expand his horizons a bit before jumping to conclusions. I bought my P90 for under $300 and for the money, its very good. For the money, that is...
Is posting a thread on another forum somehow worse than reading posts on another forum?

Im just wondering...
 
I started shooting at age 62 4 years ago and tried various calibers. My first purchase was a P345 for concealed carry. I couldn't afford a Sig or the S&W 1911pd and scandium I shot. I didn't like the snappiness of .40. The P345 fits my hand well and at self defense range groups under 3 inches. In moving drills I am at least that accurate and surprised myself. It took a few hundred rounds to loosen up and not jam on 185gr jhp but it loves 230gr. I have a Fobus paddle and a High Noon Split Decision IWB. Like many posters have said, there are many good choices in .45 acp. For me I have no qualms about my choices and like it better than the Sr45. I recommend it if it fits you like mine fits me.
 
Just my opinion here.....

I have a variety of hand guns to choose from, and most of them I consider "good" firearms...
The two .45's I consider as my favorites, are both Ruger's.
A P97 I bought new back around 2000 is still as accurate as the day I bought it(and, it is VERY accurate), and a relatively easy shooting .45--it is so good, I will never sell it.
The other .45 I think is great, is a SR1911 CMD, that I bought in January, 2013.
Very first shot at 20 yds, took the center out of the bull---emptied the mag around that center.
Have put many rounds through both, not one hiccup, or problem, EVER! :eek:
And this with many brands, and types of ammo(HP's, FMJ, etc.)
I often use the CMD as my carry gun. It is a EXCELLENT carry gun.....

I am not gonna' say either is "THE BEST"...but both are pretty stinkin' good! :D

Pud
 
I really have a problem with a gun that doesn't let me pull the trigger when I want to. I won't carry a handgun that has a manual safety or a magazine disconnect. Fortunately, the LC9 can be "fixed" to be an effective carry weapon. And put in the Galloway Precision modified trigger bar and hammer and you'll have a weapon that Ruger should have produced in the first place. :)
 
In best Foghorn Leghorn voice:
"Ya done convinced me son! I say, Ya Convinced Me! Ain't nothin' better than a good P-series Ruger! Don't know why I didn't see it before! Ya done straightened me out Son! And I'm grateful, Son! Just want you to understand that!"

Just thought I'd put my mouth/keyboard where my money is: Ordered a new P345 from Wholesale Hunter today...while they're still available.
 
I really have a problem with a gun that doesn't let me pull the trigger when I want to. I won't carry a handgun that has a manual safety or a magazine disconnect. Fortunately, the LC9 can be "fixed" to be an effective carry weapon. And put in the Galloway Precision modified trigger bar and hammer and you'll have a weapon that Ruger should have produced in the first place. :)
LC9???
 
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I really have a problem with a gun that doesn't let me pull the trigger when I want to. I won't carry a handgun that has a manual safety or a magazine disconnect. Fortunately, the LC9 can be "fixed" to be an effective carry weapon. And put in the Galloway Precision modified trigger bar and hammer and you'll have a weapon that Ruger should have produced in the first place.

The magazine disconnect in the P345 can be removed just as easily as in the LC9. The LC9 HAS a manual safety. All three P series 45 acp pistols were available as a Decockers, I.E. no manual safety. I really have a problem with people who make uninformed comments.
 
The magazine disconnect in the P345 can be removed just as easily as in the LC9. The LC9 HAS a manual safety. All three P series 45 acp pistols were available as a Decockers, I.E. no manual safety. I really have a problem with people who make uninformed comments.

In I believe 2007 IIRC Ruger quit offering the Decock Only versions of the P-series pistols. I believe their reason for doing this was because Ruger focuses on mass production. They don't want to take the extra time to make more than 1 version of a pistol so they just put every safety option that they want to make available on every model. I have thought about buying some of their newer semi-auto offerings but I haven't (other than a SR 1911) the reason being I don't care for all the over the top safety features they put on their guns. I also don't like the idea of maybe one day having to explain in court why I thought I was smarter than a gun manufacturer & thought it would be a good idea to disable a safety feature. So if I do not want a mag disconnect I buy a pistol that doesn't have one.

I bought my .40 caliber P94 back in 2000. I was not a particularly educated consumer. My biggest dislike about the gun is its slide mounted safety. It is a good gun and I still have it but it doesn't get shot much anymore & it has been a long time since it was carried.
 
A Glock cost $50 USD, yes fifty, to make in 2006.
Does adding unnecessary parts, excessive devices to disable the firearm, and needlessly complicated Rube Goldberg lockwork make a gun that costs more to produce better? If a Raven .25 cost more to produce than a G19, does that make it a better choice?
 
I now have all 3 Ruger P Series 45acp pistols. I also have a SR1911, and a FNX-45. The FNX does house duty, because of its 15+1 capacity. I was excited with it when I bought it, but now its fallen a notch on my favorites list, and the P 45s have gone to the top. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the FNX-45, its blazingly accurate, has a good trigger, has been perfectly reliable, and feels good in my hands. It just doesnt have the nostalgia, or the allure, that my P45s have.

My SR1911 is a nice gun, but I have never really warmed to the 1911 platform. I like a Double Action pistol better than a Single Action. I know this will ruffle some feathers, but its just how I feel. The SR1911 has much more felt recoil than my P97(I haven't shot the 90 or 345 yet). It is a quality built pistol, like all Ruger products, and every collector should have a 1911, so it was a natural choice for me, Its accurate, and reliable, but... sigh...

My P97 came first. I have a P95, and the 97 is its twin. The first shots from the 97 were amazing. The sights are dead on at 25 yards, and the recoil feels like a 9mm. Its very accurate and good looking. I added a Pachmayr slip on grip sleeve, because the poly frame is slick. That really helped. Its a great pistol.

My P90 came next. I like the styling. It reminds me of a classic muscle car. Its Macho. The trigger is smooth, and reasonably light. I added Hogue Finger Groove Grip panels. The 90 is the pistol that I like to hold, and look at, at every angle. I think its a work of art.

I just picked up a P345. Its a great looking pistol also. Im surprised how much thinner it is, compared to the 95/97. It does have the heaviest trigger of the three, but I have #19 Wolff hammer springs on order. If I decide to carry a 45, it will be the one.

I cant believe the value these pistols represent. When you look at used 45 pistol prices, there is nothing that compares in accuracy, construction, and reliability. The P series draws criticism for being thick, and blocky. I suppose this is true, for a 9mm pistol, since there are double stack 9mm pistols that are thinner, but for a 45 pistol, the P series is perfect. I dont want a thin, light 45. I want something to grab on to, and some weight to absorb recoil.

I apologize for the quality of the pictures, but here they are, in the order they were produced, P90, P97 and P345

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Too bad you've not tried a Hi Point.... it's got all those qualities and costs even less!
 
Wow.

I'm really surprised this thread is still staggering on.

I figured it would have been put out of its misery by now.

You know, with a real .45. Like a Colt USGI M1911A1. Or a Mark 23. :D
 
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