Drop in bump fire trigger

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From what I've seen there is a technique to it but once you understand what that is it doesn't look too hard. Having played paintball for many years with the electronic triggers and always working your fingers to get the most shots off quickly on a very light trigger I don't think I'd have a problem picking up on this. Personally I think it's a huge leap in the right direction. Let's face it full auto is in the past, it's dead, let's move on to the next best thing. Technology will advance it and improve on it in the years to come. We've gone from hooking your thumb in your belt loop to a drop in trigger :)

I watched a range video at SHOT last night of two guys trying it out and they couldn't make it work, then afterwards they realized they had it in semi auto position :)
 
;) T'aint the $200 tax stamp that will get ya. It's the $15,000 - $20,000 for a transferable M-16 that will get ya.
 
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The guns themselves are outrageously expensive. The $200 NFA stamp is barely on the radar as an expense given the cost of either a drop in sear ($4000-$8000, and you run the risks of non-registered fakes) or a full rifle...in the range SAM1911 mentioned.
 
Huh?????
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Yeah, since the Registry was closed in '86, there are only so many full-auto guns that can ever be sold to private citizens. (Something like 400,000 legal, registered machine guns in the whole US.) Some of those, maybe 20,000 of them are M-16s that were in private hands before the registry closed. Only those 20,000 can be sold among citizens, so if 500,000 gun owners would like to buy one (let's say), there are 25 buyers standing in line to purchase each one available.

Owner one paid $1,000 for it in 1985. Prospective owner 2 offers him double his money. Prospective owner 3 says, "I'll pay $5,000." And on it goes until the pool of folks with money to spend has bought and sold back and forth to some balance point where there aren't any more buyers willing to pay any more to own one of these scarce, in-demand rifles. That balance point hovers somewhere around the $15,000+ range for real M-16s. Other designs, like the MAC-11, for example, aren't worth nearly so much to the pool of potential buyers, so they get bought and sold for more like $4,000 each. Even though most folks look at the design and consider it a $300 gun, in real terms.

Something really impressive like an original M1 Thompson that saw combat in WWII might go for more like $40,000. I've seen price tags for very scarce stuff (like a real MAG-58, precursor to our M-240) at more than $65,000.

As other said, you can buy a registered "Drop In Auto Sear" or "Lightning Link" that will make an AR-15 run full-auto for under $10,000 probably, but that's a pair of small pieces of metal and a pin, plus the registration paperwork, that cost more than some cars. And if they break badly, you're out the purchase price.

All that to say, full-auto weapons are out of the picture entirely for most of us, even if we'd be willing to file the forms and pay the tax to have a registered one. The cost to buy the scarce, hotly in-demand gun is just too high. These "fake-auto" kits are a way that the average shooter could get some full-auto trigger time without taking out a mortgage or selling his car to do it.
 
Potatohead said:
That's bad to the bone. Surely they will ban these. Hopefully one of these school shooters dont get their hands on one. how much is it? (I watched some of the vid but didnt click around the link)

Edit: Duh I see the price now.
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The current cost is $500.
 
I may have to order one. It will be cool to see how well it works. I have the bump stock and it is fun to shoot but I really rarely use it other than to demonstrate and let people try it out.

Even with Tula ammo at $.25 per round it gets real expensive real fast.

Would it be possible to make this work with a 22 conversion kit?
 
Neat, but not for me.

If I'm in a bad spot and need something for defense I likely won't be standing and I'm leery about this things working in the prone. Plus, I prefer aimed fire.

Nothing against anyone who wants one, rock on.
 
Since the bolt carrier group assists in resetting the trigger I think it would work fine in prone. That being said, I agree it's more of an enjoyment factor.

And as has been mentioned, the tax stamp is the smallest cost of an actual full auto and even then you're limited to the 'old stuff'. :)
 
"Let's face it full auto is in the past, it's dead, let's move on to the next best thing."
This doodad is itself evidence you are flat wrong :cool:. Using the bolt carrier (or recoil, or whatever) to positively reset the trigger is mechanically identical to what full auto does (only to the disconnector, of course), so for the ATF to bless this, in the Age of the Internet, when they know it will proliferate and be copied instantaneously, is really something new. When at the same time "wrist braces" are being accepted on pistols, pistols can be turned into rifles and back, angled foregrips are permitted on pistols, and unregistered suppressor baffles will be treated as a barrel extension/flash hider? The ATF has actually unclenched its fists greatly in the years its been without a sycophant at the helm. I also think they will have a hard time closing them again in the currently gun friendly climate (don't say it isn't; a school shooting like Newtown anywhere else would result in nothing less than widespread confiscation of most if not all firearms)

TCB
 
barnbwt said:
"Let's face it full auto is in the past, it's dead, let's move on to the next best thing."
This doodad is itself evidence you are flat wrong :cool:. Using the bolt carrier (or recoil, or whatever) to positively reset the trigger is mechanically identical to what full auto does (only to the disconnector, of course), so for the ATF to bless this, in the Age of the Internet, when they know it will proliferate and be copied instantaneously, is really something new. When at the same time "wrist braces" are being accepted on pistols, pistols can be turned into rifles and back, angled foregrips are permitted on pistols, and unregistered suppressor baffles will be treated as a barrel extension/flash hider? The ATF has actually unclenched its fists greatly in the years its been without a sycophant at the helm. I also think they will have a hard time closing them again in the currently gun friendly climate (don't say it isn't; a school shooting like Newtown anywhere else would result in nothing less than widespread confiscation of most if not all firearms)

TCB
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Tin foil hat on

The paranoid part of my brain smells a trap, they let them get out there and are waiting for someone to use one in a shooting and afterwards declare that since all AR-15s can be converted to full auto start AR-15 collecting. F&F USA

Tin foil hat off

I usually laugh at this kind of conspiracy stuff.
 
barnbwt - it's not identical just similar. You're still pulling the trigger each time just a lot faster, you can't just get an iron grip on the trigger and hold it down like a full auto. Also the rate of fire is I believe 2/3 that of true full auto.
You're right though that this and the stabilizing brace being approved are pretty big game changers.
 
Neat, cool. but it's like spending/burning $15 in a few seconds for....fun. But hey, if you can afford it and have not anything else to do with your money, then why not.
 
If you can afford that $500 trigger, you can afford the ammo to burn.

Or just reload your ammo.

Another thing people forget, you don't always have to do rapid fire. Maybe do 3 or 4 mag dumps then go back to semi.
 
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