I can't belive that no one has brought up the fact that IF this was factory ammo then the ammo manufacturer might very well take care of the issue for you. I highly doubt that this was the case though. It seems that your asking for help but not disclosing all the ugly details. Stuff happens. If you need help then give us all the information even if it was entirely your fault. Personally if I stuck that many bullets in a barrel I would replace the barrel or say to hell with it and load increasingly heavier charges in a blank until I dislodged the mass or destroyed the gun in spectacular fashion.(Pulling the trigger with a LONG string of course). Then write a P.O. Ackley style narrative. After all haven't we all paid $500 to watch something blow up before?
Multiple Bullets Stuck in Barrel (factory loads even!)
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Not kidding and who cares about data? Sure you have a very heavy bullet, but the light load will push the bullet column with less barrel damage than hammering things with a rod or trying to drill the bullets out.
The fact is that gunsmiths shoot bullets and other obstructions out all the time, using a light powder charge and NO bullet. The barrel won't be damaged unless the owner tried to pound or drill the blockage out. When asked how the job was done, the smith just smiles and says it is a secret.
Jim
The fact is that gunsmiths shoot bullets and other obstructions out all the time, using a light powder charge and NO bullet. The barrel won't be damaged unless the owner tried to pound or drill the blockage out. When asked how the job was done, the smith just smiles and says it is a secret.
Jim
Guntoter
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Note to self: Don't buy any more used guns.
788Ham
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^^^^^ Listen to Jim K, man knows his stuff.
243winxb
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Jim K.
I can see it working with maybe 1 bullet, but 3 or 4?? Jim K. Just how much powder & what kind. Just interested in the process, to learn. Thank you. Just found this http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=284884
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It's a Savage, easy to replace the barrel. If you feel comfortable with the action I'd have a gunsmith take a look at it and then slap another barrel on it. Section the old one for show and tell.
If you just want to get the bullets out of the barrel as an exercise I'd have to go with some form of using an arbor press.
I'm still scratching my head about having 3 or 4 squib loads in factory ammo but I suppose it could happen if the stars were aligned just right.
If you just want to get the bullets out of the barrel as an exercise I'd have to go with some form of using an arbor press.
I'm still scratching my head about having 3 or 4 squib loads in factory ammo but I suppose it could happen if the stars were aligned just right.
Old shooter, Years ago I had a friend that was fired, he got a job driving a straight/box truck around town making deliveries. He was fired for hitting a very low underpass, I questioned the rational for firing him.
I was told what he wanted me to know, when the truth was known he was not fired for hitting the very low underpass, he was fired for backing up and hitting it again.
It is said Ackley welded the barrel closed to test actions, and then it was decided the Japanese action was the strongest action in the world. And I always say, for get action I want the cases, after all the cases were part of the action when the trigger was pulled and the case was exposed to the same pressure, then? I am told that is not the way it works.
Stacked bullets, the worst I have ever seen was 6 bullets stacked in a S&W Highway Patrol 357. I have hydraulic presses, arbor presses, big hammers, little hammers and I have slide hammers.
When it comes to driving/pushing a bullet in a barrel, first, it must move, to move it must rotate with the rifling, back to the beginning, I am not a fan of seating bullets into or near the rifling, I am the fan of the jump start, I want my bullets to have a running start.
Now back to loading up that rifle and blowing the bullets out from a jammed up/setting still beyond the rifling/600 grains of bullets that have been jammed together/ meaning the diameter of the bullet has been upset and if the bullet fit when they were fired they really fit now.
"I suppose it could happen" and I can imagine the bullet going back and forth until the pressure bled off from the front of the bullets and then from the rear, no sound, no bang, just a knock and the firing pin falling before that.
F. Guffey
I was told what he wanted me to know, when the truth was known he was not fired for hitting the very low underpass, he was fired for backing up and hitting it again.
It is said Ackley welded the barrel closed to test actions, and then it was decided the Japanese action was the strongest action in the world. And I always say, for get action I want the cases, after all the cases were part of the action when the trigger was pulled and the case was exposed to the same pressure, then? I am told that is not the way it works.
Stacked bullets, the worst I have ever seen was 6 bullets stacked in a S&W Highway Patrol 357. I have hydraulic presses, arbor presses, big hammers, little hammers and I have slide hammers.
When it comes to driving/pushing a bullet in a barrel, first, it must move, to move it must rotate with the rifling, back to the beginning, I am not a fan of seating bullets into or near the rifling, I am the fan of the jump start, I want my bullets to have a running start.
Now back to loading up that rifle and blowing the bullets out from a jammed up/setting still beyond the rifling/600 grains of bullets that have been jammed together/ meaning the diameter of the bullet has been upset and if the bullet fit when they were fired they really fit now.
"I suppose it could happen" and I can imagine the bullet going back and forth until the pressure bled off from the front of the bullets and then from the rear, no sound, no bang, just a knock and the firing pin falling before that.
F. Guffey
Not the "experts" but barrels burst without obstructions. In the small circle of friends this is not a common event but when it happens everyone knows what caused it, then there was this other reloader/builder/shooter, he walked up the range a few yards to retrieve his barrel.
F. Guffey
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ole farmerbuck
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I have to agree. We have to weld on bits to drill through 12" hard post and we couldnt buy them long enough. They are now about 18" long. Work fine. Does anyone make brass bits?
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Hmmm...
If he's going to be welding washers to the drill bit to keep the brass bushings in place...in other words so that the cutting tip of the drill bit remains centered in the barrel while he's drilling out the bullets...where, pray tell, do you think he's going to be welding these washers? I'd think you'd want at least one close to the tip of the bit. How close would depend on the diameter of the drill bit because you absolutely cannot have this end wandering as it's drilling out the bullets. But any way you look at it, he'll be doing this on the twisted, cutting edges at the very least. A couple others along the shank as well, to keep the steel shank from contacting the barrel, but that's much less concern.
Welding on the shank end is one thing...welding on the cutting end is quite another. I'm willing to bet that the shafts you welded onto drill bits were welded to the shank ends, weren't they? Nothing wrong with that at all.
I'd rather recommend a much simpler solution, which would take far less time and effort, not to mention less tooling. Slide the brass bushings onto the bit where he wants them, then use a small strip of tape above and below the bushing to hold it in that position, such that it can still freely spin. Quick, easy, no special tooling, and no welding at all.
Heck, why not just go to Hobbytown and pick up some brass, aluminum, or plastic tubing just big enough to slide over the bit and be done with it? Even less work...
Shoot, for that matter, why not put two or three layers of heat shrink tubing over the drill bit? Even better. You can get this at just about any electronics store.
45_auto
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fguffey said:
Do you have a reference for this bit of wisdom?
780 ft-lbs of KE equals 1 BTU.
So a rifle bullet with a little over 3000 ft-lb of energy that converts the KE to heat with 100% efficiency (no such thing) would deliver about 4 BTU.
The heat delivered by one BTU is the equivalent of burning one wooden match.
What kind of barrels are you using where holding 4 matches under it will cause it to soften and bulge or split? It's not uncommon to see barrels glowing red hot (about 1100 degrees or so) that aren't bothered at all. Quickly dumping one mag through about any semi-auto rifle out there will easily get the barrel MUCH hotter than possible with the amount of KE available in a rifle (much less a pistol) bullet.
ole farmerbuck
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Easy there Guff, easy! What I was getting at is that you can weld on drill bits and they will still work.
Old dried hedge post are about as hard as metal.Kp321
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On extending drill bits. I take a piece of drill rod a little smaller than the bit I am using and turn the end down to a standard size. I then drill the same size hole in the shank of the bit,(The shanks are not hardened as much as the flutes) and silver braze the extension onto the bit. Choose the rod and hole sizes so that neither the rod nor the bit shank are too weak. I normally drill half an inch into the shank to give the silver solder enough area to hold well. I have made many of these bits of varying sizes and have not broken the joint on any of them. The advantage over welding is this method keeps everything straight.
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Id just send it back to savage but that's just me
I have no fewer than 20 of the long drills for drilling rock hard? post. I have long drills, I was tying to go over some things with the family, they have no interest in what I have planned to leave them. That leaves selling, can you imagine the humility of trying to sell all this stuff to people than can not appreciate it.
F. Guffey
You left out the small 'small circle of friends' , and 'not common' but the small circle can tell you where the barrels are located and 'who did it', the small circle includes the smith/builder that blew his barrel down range, loosing his barrel did not ruin his day but his mind was occupied.
There are pictures, one was named the 'buck horn barrel' like I said "Not the experts".
F. Guffey
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Break it up like an ice cube. A drop of liquid nitrogen then a pick to shatter what was frozen. Its a rinse and repeat kind of thing. Then again just buy another barrel and get the rest of the gun checked out.
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