r1derbike
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That was a really honest review. Thanks for the link. Didn't realize the bore axis was so low. Should be great on recoil.
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r1derbike
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More abusive than my XD-S .45? I really don't mind the recoil on the .45. It's not an all day range gun, by any stretch.
It is 9mm middle ground. About the size of a Ruger LC9.
From what I can tell from reviews. If you have rough hands it's a pretty good shooter, otherwise it is abusive.
Gun Master
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R51 Available 2-1-2014 ?
Remington was supposed to have the R51 available to the public 2-1-14.
Was this all hype and no delivery ? If they have problems, their PR people should come out and say so.
For me it is going the other way. "No have-ie, no want-ie."
Let's all pause in a moment of meditation, for the gun that died, before it was born.
Remington was supposed to have the R51 available to the public 2-1-14.
Was this all hype and no delivery ? If they have problems, their PR people should come out and say so.
For me it is going the other way. "No have-ie, no want-ie."
Let's all pause in a moment of meditation, for the gun that died, before it was born.
F-111 John
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Let's just hope that you haven't "Mark Twain"ed the R51.
Sam1911
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Wait, you're worried about the R-51 being hard to find or unavailable only a month and a half out? Sheesh, that's nothing. You must not be a big Kel Tec fan.
Phantom Captain
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Just picked up mine today. See my post with comparison pics to my PPK/s .380
bikemutt
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After shooting one today, called my favorite LGS who said he has one incoming, he agreed to sell it to me on arrival, $400 OTD. Can't believe there are dealers asking $800 online for these but, it's a free country.
Anyway, the gun does a remarkable job of minimizing felt recoil, muzzle rise is minimal. Even with +P rounds it didn't hurt, or even sting. I would have happily fired it all day, as if it were a target gun, very comfortable.
My last two groups of 5 were around 2" at 10 yards which is considerably better than any small, lightweight 9mm I have ever fired, including my present carry, a Kahr P9.
Unless Rem pushes them out without QC, they have a winner with the R51 IMO.
Anyway, the gun does a remarkable job of minimizing felt recoil, muzzle rise is minimal. Even with +P rounds it didn't hurt, or even sting. I would have happily fired it all day, as if it were a target gun, very comfortable.
My last two groups of 5 were around 2" at 10 yards which is considerably better than any small, lightweight 9mm I have ever fired, including my present carry, a Kahr P9.
Unless Rem pushes them out without QC, they have a winner with the R51 IMO.
USAF_Vet
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I kinda want one. But I want to get my RIA 1911 9mm first. Then I'll see what the trade value of my Taurus 709 would be, since that would be getting replaced.
Gun Master
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Patience Grasshopper!
(See posting # 260).
Patience Grasshopper!
Ah, so.....Honorable Master!Going to wait a year or so 'til the teething issues are addressed. Then look again.
Just picked-up an XDm 9mm 4.5 in., so good for a big boat anchor ATM. NIB, half a year free range membership, lane and ammo discounts. Couldn't pass that one up.
I'm really flummoxed I shoot my XD-S .45 better, though. Could be the 1300 rounds through it.
Have to retrain for light recoil and long sight radius, I guess?
Will be watching/reading the reviews on the Rem., all I may find...
(See posting # 260).
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hardluk1
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I just finish my breakin on my wifes R51. I like to shoot 500 rounds . It was trouble frr thru out the breakin. Easy to shoot small 2 , 2 1/2" 10 groups with a box of ammo as the round count went up. Trigger pull is still at 6lbs no lighter, Aggg. Hope it would lighten. Just a good low cost pistol. Nothing bad to talk about, Just grease the bolt assembly well. I have read some early ones were only oiled. Use a great product.
Don't let a deal shaft you on price I paid 357.28 at a general store / gun shop.
Don't let a deal shaft you on price I paid 357.28 at a general store / gun shop.
hardluk1
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Naaa Just a regular price from a better than average dealer. He sell everthing at 10% over his cost.
barnbwt
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Well, it sure sounds like the gun is a great idea, no matter the details of Remington's rollout (finish, fit, etc.), and that is ultimately what will matter in the long run. Soft shooting, easy racking, low bore axis, and apparently pretty accurate sounds pretty infallible to me, even if the quality is commensurate with the price.
I'm really itching to see where modification can take these; match barrel (heavy barrel?), compensation, melt down, long/short slides, finish options, fancy coatings, trigger adjustment, grip replacements, frame mods, grip chops; there's a wide open playfield for experimentation, and it sounds like the gun is a good enough platform that it would be worth exploring.
TCB
I'm really itching to see where modification can take these; match barrel (heavy barrel?), compensation, melt down, long/short slides, finish options, fancy coatings, trigger adjustment, grip replacements, frame mods, grip chops; there's a wide open playfield for experimentation, and it sounds like the gun is a good enough platform that it would be worth exploring.
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w.a.s (wait and see).
Orion8472
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I'm disappointed. Saw one at a gunshow in my city, today, . . . and it really WAS bigger than I was hoping. The trigger was rather "striker fire"-ish, but the main thing is, . . . the top part of the trigger guard [well, bottom of the frame, really] didn't feel good on my trigger finger, while I was trying the trigger out. The angle on that part of the frame is rather "sharp". If it had been rounded out, I would have been okay with it.
Also, . . . racking the slide was pretty disappointing for me. It was VERY rough feeling . . . . almost like there was something broken in the slide part and was getting bound up a bit while racking.
I'm pretty disappointed in because I was interested in getting one, and even had an order for one at my local gunshop. I cancelled it.
Also, . . . racking the slide was pretty disappointing for me. It was VERY rough feeling . . . . almost like there was something broken in the slide part and was getting bound up a bit while racking.
I'm pretty disappointed in because I was interested in getting one, and even had an order for one at my local gunshop. I cancelled it.
For a carry/concealed pistol, I am not sure what a bull barrel will do in terms of perfecting it. What sort of groups are you expecting at self defense ranges? To me, this is not a target pistol, rather a short range, point and clic.
Melt down? It seemes Remington has already dealt with that.
I can see the modification you mention on a full size pistol but this is about the size of the frame of a 1911. Perhaps it is perfect as it stands?
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bikemutt
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I have no idea how much time shooters spend racking the slde of a self defense gun but, I will concede the R51 is not your classic smooth rack.
Considering recoil, the worst case is probably a fixed breach gun like a revolver; what you push forward is more or less what you get back. The only thing opposing the push back is the mass inertia of the weapon. Heavy revolvers exhibit less felt recoil than light ones.
Semi-autos spread the recoil force over time which, all other things being equal, results in less felt recoil. The action is linear, or perhaps geometric. The R51 may be different with its non linear, choppy action, perhaps that goes a ways to explaining its soft shooting feel. Maybe the action is less harmonic. A low bore axis only addresses muzzle rise, there has to be something else to explain the low felt recoil.
Considering recoil, the worst case is probably a fixed breach gun like a revolver; what you push forward is more or less what you get back. The only thing opposing the push back is the mass inertia of the weapon. Heavy revolvers exhibit less felt recoil than light ones.
Semi-autos spread the recoil force over time which, all other things being equal, results in less felt recoil. The action is linear, or perhaps geometric. The R51 may be different with its non linear, choppy action, perhaps that goes a ways to explaining its soft shooting feel. Maybe the action is less harmonic. A low bore axis only addresses muzzle rise, there has to be something else to explain the low felt recoil.
barnbwt
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"For a carry/concealed pistol, I am not sure what a bull barrel will do in terms of perfecting it. What sort of groups are you expecting at self defense ranges? To me, this is not a target pistol, rather a short range, point and clic."
I'm saying the design may lend itself to a target role by virtue of a trigger that may be able to be tuned up nicely (time will tell). It'd be pretty tough to argue in 1912 that an M1911 could go all the places modders have taken them in the last 15 years or so. This design is like nothing else out there; to me, that's opportunity.
"the R51 is not your classic smooth rack."
Looking at the animation, I can actually see how the rising bolt dragging on the slide could impart some feel texture. So long as it's easy to rack, I could honestly care less. As you point out, these guns aren't designed to be carried with an empty chamber, anyway. I wonder if some of the recoil is dampened because the barrel is fixed, and is not arrested abruptly early in the cycle like in a tilting barrel design. Instead, there is a lighter locking block that is arrested, which then rises and absorbs some of the slide's momentum as it is pulled backward. I'd be interested to see if the slide velocity is much different than other similar-size designs; if slower, that could explain the softer recoil feel as well.
TCB
I'm saying the design may lend itself to a target role by virtue of a trigger that may be able to be tuned up nicely (time will tell). It'd be pretty tough to argue in 1912 that an M1911 could go all the places modders have taken them in the last 15 years or so. This design is like nothing else out there; to me, that's opportunity.
"the R51 is not your classic smooth rack."
Looking at the animation, I can actually see how the rising bolt dragging on the slide could impart some feel texture. So long as it's easy to rack, I could honestly care less. As you point out, these guns aren't designed to be carried with an empty chamber, anyway. I wonder if some of the recoil is dampened because the barrel is fixed, and is not arrested abruptly early in the cycle like in a tilting barrel design. Instead, there is a lighter locking block that is arrested, which then rises and absorbs some of the slide's momentum as it is pulled backward. I'd be interested to see if the slide velocity is much different than other similar-size designs; if slower, that could explain the softer recoil feel as well.
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hardluk1
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Bikermutt Good review of the slide bolt function.
barnbwt I don't conceder this pistol a carry unchambered handgun. It has a hammer strut block on it that does its job well. Till you get to do some rutting around for your self don't believe all of what you read. After all some still think a 1911 should be carried unchambered or a glock the same way.
barnbwt I don't conceder this pistol a carry unchambered handgun. It has a hammer strut block on it that does its job well. Till you get to do some rutting around for your self don't believe all of what you read. After all some still think a 1911 should be carried unchambered or a glock the same way.
Vodoun da Vinci
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I have seen the same videos and grief about the Glock 42...there are a handful now in my area at the range and not one of them has ever missed a lick even with the ammunition touted to cause failures and caused all the skepticism about the reliability of the new Glock nobody wanted.
I'm not an R51 aficionado but I think those who are interested might wait until there are enough examples in the field to make a judgment as to whether or not it is a success or failure. It is way too soon to decide one way or the other.
IMO.
VooDoo
I'm not an R51 aficionado but I think those who are interested might wait until there are enough examples in the field to make a judgment as to whether or not it is a success or failure. It is way too soon to decide one way or the other.
IMO.
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