PWS vs. Tavor

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Morning gentlemen. I spend a lot of time on here but I don't post much. Seems that the search bar solves most problems. Not this time!

So the issue it this: I am a former Marine infantryman, so I have always been a DI AR only kinda guy. I have a 6920 with a DD rail and other goodies that is great. I love the gun and would trust it with any task. Lately, though, I have been wanting to try a new platform. I was all set to buy a PWS (mk114 or 107) when I stumbled on the Tavor. I have always wanted a Bullpup but the bad triggers/no AR mags turned me off. This has fixed both problems (timney/Geissele) so now I am really leaning that way. Seems like a proven platform in an incredibly compact package. I don't really mind the extra weight but I can't seem to really decide. What say you gentleman? I'm not a wealthy man, so a purchase this big should be thought out and I appreciate all opinions.

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Mike
 
I fancy bullpups and have most of the commonly available ones in the collection. I'd rate the Tavor as the best of the lot except for the trigger. Maybe the after-market triggers solve the problem, maybe not, I've not tried one. But they sure do add to the expense.


I'd give the nod for best bullpup trigger out of the box to the Kel-Tec RFB, but still, if you put this trigger on a $600 AR you'd hear nothing but how bad the trigger was no matter how great everything else was. Folks who've shelled out $1500+ for an unusual gun tend to be more forgiving for some reason :)

My Tavor had been fine with all the AR mags in my motley assortment of range regulars and cheap ammo, but I'd bet your 6920 will shoot better groups from a bench.
 
The Tavor is a great rifle. I liked it okay but decided to stick with the AR platform. Other guys I know are selling off their ARs because they like it so much. If getting a bull pup it would be the one to buy.
 
Shot the Tavor a decent bit not to long ago, like the previous replies mentioned it doesn't have the best trigger. Also shot an RFB and didn't like that trigger all that much either. If you want something compact though, the tavor is pretty hard to beat, well balanced, easy to manipulate with practice. Some of the controls seem like they are in awkward spots but if you really practice with it you can get pretty quick on reloads/failure drills.

The only problem I ran into with the Tavor is that it did not like my reloads out of the box, as in it wouldn't cycle the bolt completely. They were just light reloads that I use for plinking out of my AR but have been 100% reliable in the AR. It was pretty much a brand new gun and maybe after a few hundred more rounds it would cycle better, but who knows.
 
Thanks a lot guys. This is what I was hoping for with done real experience and ownership, not people that hate a gun they haven't even seen. The trigger is probably not going to be a concern, as I have never had anything with a great trigger and usually don't even notice them. I will shoot it until I become accurate with it, unless it is just so bad that I can't take it (which I highly doubt). I'm trying to just account for the cost of the trigger upgrades just in case.

For the price difference between it and the PWS I'm half way to the trigger job, or 1000 rounds, or magazines... My main concern is a new platform. I wish there way one locally for me to handle and molest a little bit. But I think this is the way I'm heading.
 
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I love mine. Due to my new job, I haven't been able to get in much time to shoot it but what I have, I've been pretty impressed with it. The trigger isn't the greatest and I haven't sprung for the aftermarket trigger but I did remove the secondary sear return spring and that made it quite a bit better. Not to the level of an AR trigger, but still not too bad for a bullpup. What really sells this rifle is the extremely short overall length. It's shorter than an SBR AR for example yet still keeps the velocity much higher with the 16.5" barrel. There is a learning curve with the bullpup design if you are used to the AR design but it's just a matter of getting used to it.
 
I am already kinda expecting a huge curve. The only real experience with semi autos I have is the AR platform. That is a huge reason that I'm thinking of getting something else, as I barely ever shoot anymore because I feel like it isn't fun or exciting anymore, plus it will be fun to have a new challenge and platform to work with.

Are any of you running the Meprolight(spelling?) M21?
 
Are any of you running the Meprolight(spelling?) M21?
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I have one, don't like it, though it'd be right for the Tavor. While it may be great for CQB its pretty bad for 75+ yard targets. Obscures too much and even with black electrical tape covering most of the "light gathering" fibers its still to bright to see the target through.

One of the keys to using "red dot" type optics is you have to focus your vision on the target and align the dot on the target while looking through the dot. My M21 is darn near impossible to see the target through the dot.

My ACOG works much better (3.5X mag doesn't hurt), but costs a lot more and also needed black tape on the light gathering fiber. In the same price range as the M21 I'd go with an Aimpoint PRO or EOTech instead (although I'm happier without needing batteries).

Basically I'm saying get the Tavor without the M21 bundle.

The built-in BUIS in the Tavor rail are pretty decent.
 
He's such a baller. I hadn't seek this video of him and the Tavor though, thanks a lot.
 
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I am not a bullpup guy but the Tavor SAR is American Rifleman Rifle of the Year.
 
Since you already have a nice AR, why even bother with the PWS unless your going to run it suppressed?? Its just an AR with a piston (which has little tangible/practical benefits in the real world over a good DI rifle except when suppressed). If you gotta drop cash on a rifle, Tavor gets my vote (or a Scar in 7.62:)).
 
That's kinda the point I'm at. I would love to have a SCAR, but I can't justify the price. The PWS has just been something I have wanted for a long time, even though I don't really know why. Something about familiar and new at the same time I guess.

Didn't realize this site was so strict on language, sorry bout that mods.

The video of Mr. Miculek running the Tavor may have helped me with my last little bit of doubt. Thanks for all the replies fellas. I sell my 300 AAC on the first, will be ordering the Tavor that night. I will post pictures and I'm thinking of a side by side review with the Colt. We shall see.

Thanks again
 
I own both an AUG and a Tavor. I like AR rifles fine but also like something different. The AUG is a sweet handling rifle and a pleasure to shoot. However,when I load up,the Tavor is the rifle most likely to make a trip to the range.
 
The only AR I own is my PWS MK116. I love it. I've never shot the Tavor but I can tell you the PWS is top notch. I haven't felt the need to replace or upgrade any parts on it. I added a sling and red dot. That's it.
 
Own a AUG and I've shot a Tavor. If you're left handed the Tavor is probably the way to go and the Tavor is probably better for someone trying to transition from a AR.

I like the design of the AUG better: forward assist, adjustable gas regulator, tool free barrel changes, and general ergonomics.

BSW
 
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