Wolf small pistol primers

I don't use the Wolf brand, but I use Tula and can usually be found online for about 22 to 26 dollars per 1000. I haven't had any issues at all. The small pistol primers fit nice in tight into 9mm brass.

I've used Wolf or Tula large and small pistol primers for many 10s of thousands of rounds. Whichever is available or less expensive when I need more. Don't see a lick of difference between them except sometimes the color of the cup.

However, you might want to specify which primers you want as although I know their small and large pistol primers work great, I've never used their rifle or magnum primers.

3-4 yrs ago you could expect a 3-4% failure rate in their SP. There were some other problems with them too is seating them. Over size and were very hard to seat. All the others sizes were just find only problems where related with the SP. They kind of died away and the Tula showed up which is made in the same mfg plant. For practice ammo they are find but I would not use them in must work application.

I have used many thousands of Wolf primers the past few years and they do the job like they should. I use Wolf, Winchester and CCI mostly and I don't find any difference between them. I understand that Wolf and Tula are made in the same plant. They just end up in different boxes. Wolf is a marketing name used by the importer.

The *old* brass colored Wolf pistol primers were great. The nickel colored Wolf and Tula SP primers have a high failure rate; mostly caused by failing to seat them properly, but they are almost impossible to seat properly. (they are very hard and slightly oversized) Their rifle primers and LP's are fine.

I'm on my seventh sleeve, (5K pack), of Wolf/Tula primers. I use both SPP and LPP.

They go bang every time. No failure rates in my firearms.

The LPP are difficult to seat in Winchester brass, for some reason. I separate out all of my Win brass and load it with CCI primers.

I've only got four sleeves left. I paid ~ $22 with shipping/1K. I know I can't replace them at that price. I wish I had bought more, oh so long ago.

I bought 5000 Wolf primers a while back and they worked as they should but that was the older Wolf primers, not the ones being sold now.

I'm glad this post came up. I've been looking at tula primers also because of their price but their are to many mixed feelings here for me. I'll stay with my old stand by unless I find some locally to experiment with.

Desert Dragon, let us know how they work and also how they load.

I use them for small rifle and pistol, and large rifle and pistol. They work great for me.

I've been using the Russian primers for 10 years now, since before they were called Wolf and Tula. Have had zero problems.

Don

Ya need a good priming tool for the SP primers , as mentioned they run a bit large , but seated correctly/completely they work well.

I ran 50 over the chrony & the numbers were as good if not a little better compared to WWSP.

GP

tightgroup tiger said:

I'm glad this post came up. I've been looking at tula primers also because of their price but their are to many mixed feelings here for me. I'll stay with my old stand by unless I find some locally to experiment with.

Desert Dragon, let us know how they work and also how they load.

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I have gone through thousands of Tula small pistol primers without a hiccup. I keep hearing stories about issues but have never had a failure personally. It is true that they take a bit more force to seat. For this reason, I suspect that most of the problems are coming from folks hand priming and just not seating them deep enough.

I can't vouch for any of their other primers since I only reload handgun calibers and have enough large pistol in federal to last for years.

I have loaded over 10,000 Tula SPP and about 3,000 LPP without any problems. I have not found them to be hard to seat.

I use an old Lee Autoprime when I prime off the press and also prime on my Dillon 450 and my Hornady LnL.
No problems to date in seating with either method. Maybe I just got lucky on the lot that I bought, but when I run out I will buy more of them.

I've lost count of the round count that I've reloaded with Wolf/Tula primers, probably over 150,000. I've been using them for probably 8 years now pretty consistently, all types: SP, LP, SR, LR and especially the 556 primers. I understand from their web page that Wolf and Tula are made in the same factory. I can't say I have ever had a failure of a Wolf or Tula primer.

I use nothing but Tula pistol primers and have zero complaints.

For this reason, I suspect that most of the problems are coming from folks hand priming and just not seating them deep enough.

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Most, maybe. Not all. I have no problem seating primers deep enough. After a few duds, I tried seating deeper, and I had a couple fail to fire, seated > 10 mics below the casehead in Federal 9mm cases. When I backed off, again, I had way more failures, though.

The Tula cup is soft and sorta of pointy. Or domed. There's not a lot of surface area to press against. The lot I had, the primer cup isn't strong enough to seat itself into a tight pocket. The primer turns into a pancake by the time the anvil seats. Maybe this breaks up the primer "cake."

The real meat of the matter for me? I had a heavy hand when I started loading, and I flattened my first several hundred domestic primers. All went bang. And after I backed off on the Tulas and had a bunch more duds, not a single one fired on multiple restrikes. Short-seated primers usually go off if you give 'em a do-over.

I was a Tula apologist while I was still enjoying the savings and even after my first few failures. But after a few more, I really tried to nail down "my" problem. I took great care to prime consistently, and every time I went to the range I was sure I had sorted it out. But the failure rate just kept going up. It hit double digits in a single 1k box, including more than one failure in the same cylinder-ful in my Ruger GP100, in what was 1k of the most painstakingly carefully primed ammo I have ever made. I never could find anything wrong with my end of the deal. I'm fairly certain I got a bad lot. My first order of Tula primers was almost perfect.

When I run into duds with Winchester, I'm sure I'll avoid them for awhile, too. It just hasn't happened, yet. I haven't had a single failure with any Rem, CCI, Win, or S&B. Wolf LPP and LRP have also been perfect, so far. I've had 20-30 failures, and they have all but one been with Tula SPP. The other one was a Wolf 223 primer.

...I had a couple fail to fire, seated > 10 mics below the casehead in Federal 9mm cases. When I backed off, again, I had way more failures, though.

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Primers are not seated to any specific distance below the casehead. They are fully seated to the bottom of the primer pocket whatever distance that may be.

Don

What I found was that some of the primers were missing the primer compound when I broke them down to find out why. No problem is seating them. Like USSR said always seat till they bottom in the pocket, no matter what the depth.

The Wolf primers went off the market after all the problems showed up with the SP, then Tula brand showed up to replace them. Out of the same factory.

^Well, there it is. Priming compound is a pretty darn important ingredient of a functional primer.

Primers are not seated to any specific distance below the casehead. They are fully seated to the bottom of the primer pocket whatever distance that may be.

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Yes, I agree. I prime by feel, not by distance. My primers are bottomed out. I only measured these after the fact they did not fire. It's not the indian, it's the cheap arrows. Lots of people have had problems NOT caused by improper priming.

I've had my share of problems with them, no bang. Tried different seating tools, no joy. The last batch I seated on my new Pro 2000, I have not had a chance to try them out. If that fails I have a boat load of these things I'll donate!

Both Wolf and Tula are manufactured by the same plant (Murmon sp?). They are larger and a pain to seat in a progressive. I have used the SP And SPM's - which my competition Glocks had problems setting off but my Brazo's and STI guns have had zero issues with.

I just shot the Area 6 USPSA 3Gun Championship and placed in Limited shooting the .223 SRM primers, three of us - that's 500-600 rounds without a single problem. That's was in near 100 degree heat with rapid fire and long distance shots. I bought about 25k of these and have run through 15k by now. Net-net I trusted these at a Level 3 area match.

I have had some questions on their reliability but IMHO its the person reloading or the gun, These are slightly larger primers and need more positive seating that US made primers.

frankge, my experience has been similar with new/older Glock strikers producing lighter/shallower indents on a particular lot of Tula SP primers (silver/nickel color) due to harder than CCI primer cups - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=630512&page=3

Since they have ignited 100% in 45ACP cases with small primer pockets fired out of 1911 (Sig/SA/RIA/Citadel) and M&P45/PT145, I plan to use the rest of my Tula SP for 45ACP loads.

BTW, I haven't had any issues with Wolf/Tula LP and PMC SP (brass color) and Tula SR/.223 and LR (brass/copper color) primers failing to ignite in various firearms.

Ive been using all the variants and the only issue Ive had is with one lot of Wolf LRM. Hang fires and miss fires. But they're more accurate/ precise in the rifles used(WSMs) than other brands. In the 100s of others I had one failure in a LP OR SP. No worse than any other brand. They are highly regarded by the 1K BR shooters as they are very consistent. Also if you have been stretching your primer pockets, these will give you another loading or 2.