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Been thinking about getting rid of 2 of the 3 rifles below to focus on one rifle and accessories for it. The problem is I like all 3 rifles, each have their strengths and weaknesses. I guess if you had to limit yourselves to "ONE" of the 3, I'm asking which one and why?

I've just purchased a Leupold Mk6 1-6x20 CMR-W 7.62 which would work on anyone of the 3. I want to put some money together to purchase a FLIR unit as I believe that it would provided a more flexible optic in most environments.

It is my understanding that it's legal in Texas to use enhance optics like FLIR/Nightvision to hunt wild pigs just to provide you with a understanding what I'm trying to do. hqdefault.jpg flir-scout-deer-hunter-night-vision.jpg

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1. Springfield M1A Loaded
2. Springfield M1A SOCOM 16
3. DSArms SA58 16"
 
Sorry to hear this. I just went through this. Our daughter is in pre-med, so she asked to sell several of her firearms for tuition. I based our review on caliber and platform, across what we hunt, and what are our defensive needs. We also took into account what reloading supplies we have, and what accessories we have. Sometimes selling the rifle is a piece of cake, but selling the accessories, well, I still have not sold my two M1As' accessories (two stocks, an ARMS 18 mount, and an Vltor rail). Keep what fits across your needs, and don't leave an obvious gap in caliber/capability in terms of hunting and defense. I know I didn't tell you which you should sell. I can't.

Geno
 
Do you have any way to make extra funds to support your hobby. For example I do lots of metal artwork and fabrication to make extra cash. I don't like selling treasured items that I'll surely miss after they're gone. If it was me I would find a different way to get what I wanted. This will keep you from limiting yourself to one platform. Just a thought.
 
Do you have any way to make extra funds to support your hobby. For example I do lots of metal artwork and fabrication to make extra cash. I don't like selling treasured items that I'll surely miss after they're gone. If it was me I would find a different way to get what I wanted. This will keep you from limiting yourself to one platform. Just a thought.
Been seriously thinking about getting a second job, but I'm sure my wife will come up with something else to spend the extra money on. :(
 
Ditch the 2 16" barrels. They wont give you the performance that the longer one will. Unless your using it as a duty rifle (aka in/out of vehicles or close range fighting), the 16's are kind of pointless on a 308. Honestly, going from a 22" barrel to a 16" is similar to the velocity thats lost going from the 30-06 down to 308. They are all big heavy rifles, so "handyness" shouldnt be a primary concern, if it is, you should be using a smaller rifle.
 
It seems like a shame to chose just one of those rifles and send the other two packing.... so I'd say sell all three and pick up a nice AR-10 and the FLIR sight.
 
no comment on the rifles, but i'd be careful which FLIR you get. most of the cheaper ones are not worth having imho. i'm not saying they don't work or they're junk, just that they have tiny screens and very slow Hz so they're fine if you're sitting still, but they suck to use for any realistic period of time, especially when either you or your target are moving.

my advice is to use the thermal for scanning, and NV for shooting.

it is legal in TX.
 
Ditch the 2 16" barrels. They wont give you the performance that the longer one will. Unless your using it as a duty rifle (aka in/out of vehicles or close range fighting), the 16's are kind of pointless on a 308. Honestly, going from a 22" barrel to a 16" is similar to the velocity thats lost going from the 30-06 down to 308. They are all big heavy rifles, so "handyness" shouldnt be a primary concern, if it is, you should be using a smaller rifle.
If I was focus on having a car or CQB, I would use this.

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This is my HDG seeing unlike the other 3 it won't blow through the entire neighborhood. In addition this is still considered a pistol so is covered in the car under my CPL. :D
 
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Firstly, any gun that needs a franken chassy to come into the new era is not a good choice. Secondly the fal with its locking system will never do what modern rifle accuracy demands.
If choosing between the two, it would easily be the FAL.
But first choice would be sell all and get into AR10 platform. All design flaws of your current rifles are fixed and pvs 14 and a can can be added.

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Firstly, any gun that needs a franken chassy to come into the new era is not a good choice. Secondly the fal with its locking system will never do what modern rifle accuracy demands.
If choosing between the two, it would easily be the FAL.
But first choice would be sell all and get into AR10 platform. All design flaws of your current rifles are fixed and pvs 14 and a can can be added.

I thought fathers were the ones to make sacrifices for their childrens futures. Just sayin. Geno

I find it interesting that you bash proven platforms still in use when the AR platform is currently being look at to be replaced, not just upgraded. I guess if I really was looking at a so-called superior rifle the SCAR in 7.62x51 would be the most logical as you put it: "All design flaws of your current rifle(s) are fixed"
 
Hey buddy. There was no bashing. Only facts. The platform you so emotionally defend was so proven that it lived the shortest service life of any american service rifle ever. Sure it was pressed into service, only to be replaced AGAIN when the M110 became standard and fielded in quantity.
Stoners rifle has been here 60 years and worked every day of it.
Scar is great gun from my favorite company. It did nothing the AR did not do. FN still has no military fielding it. You prolly never heard of the DOE. They have deep pockets for their tac teams and love the latest and greatest. Turned the scar down.
 
Of those 3 rifles, I'd go with the FAL. Not that I dislike the M1A, but I've handled them in those chassis, and found them nothing less than thick, heavy, awkward and unwieldy. The FAL is no lightweight, of course, but it is decidedly trimmer than the other two.

Having said that, I'd build an 18" .308 AR for what you're doing. Even with a bull barrel, it'll be lighter than those M1As, and far more accurate.

my advice is to use the thermal for scanning, and NV for shooting.

+1

The other thing to remember about IR is that you may be able to see the outline of twigs, fence posts, etc. if you look for them carefully, but the extreme contrast of the living creature tends to wash those subtleties out. Not the case with NV.

You can pick up a FLIR PS32 for about $2,700, and then run something like the $1,600 Pulsar N750 on the rifle. Once you know where to look for the animal from the IR heat signature, it'll be fairly easy to find him with NV.
 
Ever notice how there's never been real a AR-10 torture test of any kind? I find that interesting...:uhoh: If I'm wrong, please post a link, I'd love to see it.
 
Between those three rifles, in their current configurations, I would go with the FAL.
 
and a high level of accuracy

i dunno. don't get me wrong; i'm a huge fan of accuracy. but pigs are pretty dang large targets. i think a 2 MOA rifle is still going to be a good shot out to 300-400 yards, which is beyond most people's ability
 
The AR as we know it was designed,built,and tested as the AR10. It was also piston driven. Not to mention it was built in 7.62x39 long before 5.56.
I would say the platform as a whole is more than vested.
Anyone remotely calling themselves a rifle man will shoot better than 2 minutes. That is an 8 inch error at 400. Easily the difference between a clean humane kill and a horrible wound. The best case would be a clean miss.
 
The AR as we know it was designed,built,and tested as the AR10. It was also piston driven. Not to mention it was built in 7.62x39 long before 5.56.

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-The AR we have today has undergone significant changes as compared to the original Fairchild/Armalite AR-10 of the '50s.

-Aside from pistol and rimfire caliber blowback variants, it has always been and will always be a piston design, . The piston just lives in the bolt carrier instead of somewhere along the barrel.

-The AR-10 has NEVER been chambered in 7.62x39mm, and the AR-15 variants in 7.62x39mm are latecomers, post-dating the M16, M16A1 and M16A2 by many years.
 
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And here is the first thing that popped up in a search. You should read this. It will accelerate your knowledge on this subject greatly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10
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i think a 2 MOA rifle is still going to be a good shot out to 300-400 yards, which is beyond most people's ability

Agreed 100%. Heck, Ive never taken a shot at an animal past 220 yards here in the northwest. If a person NEEDS better accuracy, you either have to pay heavily for it in the form of a $$$$ semi auto or just buy a $400-$600 bolt rifle. Seems like the old timers had no trouble killing game with what we would consider inaccurate, well worn, iron sighted rifles (many, many in the 3-6moa region) . Not sure why we cant manage with 2moa rifles nowadays.... The animals havnt changed....

The way I grew up (not too long ago at all), if there was a 400 yard shot, you simply didnt take it. You either got closer or moved on.
 
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Most everything will shoot 1 minute today. Most hunters never see 200 yard shots. The terrain and the vegetation in most places just wont allow it. That being said, a 2 minute gun will be fine for these environs.
 
Before this goes any further off topic, let's drop the AR-10 discussion and stick to the rifles the OP actually owns. He informed us in post 10 that he's not interested in other options right now.
 
Crap, now I want a Twinkie.

One of the known risks of torture testing.

I'd say drop the FAL and the SOCOM, the scoped and loaded weights are probably going to be similar, might as well go with the longer barrel. Also, does that first FLIR image show blood flying off of the pig?
 
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