Shades of $28 bullet feeder! LnL Bullet Tubes!

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:D Hornady as been assimilated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvX-6Ae9QpY&feature=youtu.be

Hornady is still surprising with common sense new products for reloaders not buying into the more expensive collators. RCBS saw it first, but Hornady managed to find another wrinkle. They sell the dies separate. Now they sell tubes separate.

What took them so long!:)
 
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It will be interesting to see how much they are going to charge for the 3 pack.

I was looking at getting the clear tubing, but i like that the factory ones are metal and self supporting...won't bend due to weight, don't require anchor to the wall/ceiling...the window is a nice touch.

I've found in much easier to feed cases by hand than bullets...either way I'll have to give up a station on the press
 
I've been doing this with clear plastic tubes for about two years. My tubes are cheap and hold 53 147 gr 9mm bullets. I have a way to suspend them from a floor joist. The plastic tubes are bound to be much cheaper than the metal ones. This makes it easy to afford 12 tubes; I usually load 6 to 9 at a time while watching TV. You can do it by feel although glancing at what you are doing does make it faster. Tubes are also silent compared to a bullet collator.
 
Yup been tubing it for a couple years now. Can get 75 9mm in mine. Of course you need to support the top end though.

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Steel tubes would be nice if they are self supporting. But pretty sure that why you can only get 45 bullets at a time.
 
To prevent interruptions in a session the three tubes are necessary. Once a reloading session starts, the only advantage an electric hopper collator has is you only have to dump a new box of bullets every 50 or 100. (ignoring the TV time to load tubes before you start).

The only downside to loading tubes during TV time, is you will have to replace popcorn with bullets! (just don't get too involved with the program and pop one in your mouth!) :D

I made a tube holder for my case feeding application for using tubes. Picture is only to illustrate one possibility for a tube holder. Plastic tubes are 36" long, filling three at a time with cases...only takes me 60 seconds or less with a Lee type shaker collator. Unfortunately, I haven't managed to invent a version for BULLETS!

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Wow that looks kinda cool, I wonder how long till they come up with a similar for feeding cases?

Lee already did but it only works for pistol bigger than 9mm. But it's pretty easy to make a shaker to fill tubes. Then drop the tubes in your press's case receptor. My H.M. shaker does rifle too.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/379948_Improving_Richard_Lee_s_Case_Collator_.html

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These types of things make automating an initial progressive purchase inexpensively enough for po folks like me.;)
 
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Before I would give up a station, they should offer alternate PTX diameters for lead bullets. That M-die is indispensable until then. I already have to have an expensive sizer at the front end. These rigs are just not meant for lead bullets.
 
These rigs are just not meant for lead bullets.
I would think that they've done market research to determine that their target demographic mostly reloads for semi-auto pistols and mostly use jacketed or plated bullets
 
I use my GSI feeders with lead bullets all the time. I use the same collators for my bullet sizers that I do for my bullet feeders.
 
I use their standard PTX die in my powder station and all I load is cast 45 and 9 mil.

Not sure if that's what your referring to or not.
 
Tight dies can be an advantage for neck tension on the finished round of calibers headspacing on the case mouth. The size for lead is a more acute problem on rimmed revolver calibers (that require a real crimp).

There is still the problem of dies swaging lead bullets, regardless...resulting in barrel fouling.

I suspect those, who claim no issues, cast and size their own bullets, while purchased lead bullets are commonly oversized, more than .001 over jacketed/plated and the specs for the die set.
 
These rigs are just not meant for lead bullets.

I would think that they've done market research to determine that their target demographic mostly reloads for semi-auto pistols and mostly use jacketed or plated bullets

Well, that conclusion is certainly suspect. It depends upon the caliber, or more specifically, the cartridge type. Most of my lead loading for revolvers is done with "Cowboy" dies, made for lead bullets. These calibers do not require extreme neck tension, because they include a crimp. RCBS is the only one that has a proper die set. Hornady COWBOY is no advantage at all.
 
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Hornady as been assimilated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvX-...ature=youtu.be

Hornady is still surprising with common sense new products for reloaders not buying into the more expensive collators. RCBS saw it first, but Hornady managed to find another wrinkle. They sell the dies separate. Now they sell tubes separate.

What took them so long!

I haven't yet found where to buy these tubes (in stock or otherwise).
 
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I would think that they've done market research to determine that their target demographic mostly reloads for semi-auto pistols and mostly use jacketed or plated bullets
Well, that conclusion is certainly suspect. It depends upon the caliber, or more specifically, the cartridge type. Most of my lead loading for revolvers is done with "Cowboy" dies, made for lead bullets. These calibers do not require extreme neck tension, because they include a crimp. RCBS is the only one that has a proper die set. Hornady COWBOY is no advantage at all.
Not if you compare the bolded sections above :rolleyes:

In the current market, catering to revolver shooters as opposed to semi-automatic shooters, would not be a very wise business model...especially when introducing new items aimed at high volume productiion
 
In the current market, catering to revolver shooters as opposed to semi-automatic shooters, would not be a very wise business model...especially when introducing new items aimed at high volume production

Well, Hornady has introduced, i.e announced, a new .357 Magnum cartridge along with all the rest. They did the FTX with it's nonstandard case length and now I believe they are touting the Flexlock. They have a balancing act, seems to me.

The caliber limitation on bullet feeding tubes is probably based upon what sizes are available in stock sizes of aluminum tubing. Would we be surprised if the 9mm was big enough for 38 caliber at only a few thousandths larger? The tubes also have to match the bullet feeder dies offered. It will come, but no surprise when they focus on The Big Three. I don't think those calibers are a demographic for guns as much as they are for cartridges of those that shoot the most rounds in corresponding shooting sports. In the end, Hornady is simply serving the volume of reloading taking place rather than the popularity of the guns and calibers per se.

Finally, I think it is stunning that one would think the preponderance of competitors that load and shoot all this competition ammo primarily use purchased jacketed or plated bullets. Maybe I hang around reloading forums too much.
 
can anybody explain a bullet feeder to me. i've always thought you have to load bullets in tubes, by hand one at a time so theyr all right side up etc. if thats true wouldnt it be as quick to do one at a time sticking one in a case mouth on the press. the time spent loading tubes could be spent cycling the press. is there a collator thats cheap enuff to make it worthwhile. the ones ive seen are expensive.or more than i'm willing to pay to phrase it another way.just asking.
i use case feeders with no problem, but bullet feeders seem troublesome
 
Sure, be glad to.

I don't really get impressed with the Youtube speed contests using feeders. For me, feeders, bullet or case, just free up the brain so I can focus entirely on what's important, powder charge. No more fumbling with loading the loader.

Case feeders are great, but sliding a case by hand into a case holder is a quick shove. The real bottleneck loading a loader, requiring more brain attention, is fitting a bullet on a case and guiding it into the seater! It's not fast as shoving a case in nor as simple. Seating a bullet with a crooked start is one thing that can go badly, but worse is mashing or pinching your fingers between the case and the die, when you are trying to be too speedy. That's an unpleasant experience most of us have done at least once. :cuss: painful!

Loading tubes with bullets is one of the few things you can do in reloading not requiring 100% attention. Yes you do have to load them all the same direction, but during TV marathons, it's just as easy to pop bullets into tubes as pop popcorn in your mouth. Just don't do both (greasy hands) :)

The point is that you can have 100,500,1000 bullets loaded and ready before you start a loading marathon. When they are sitting there in the tubes, then setting up an electric collator (or buying one for that matter) just isn't needed. And set up like that the session goes just as fast or faster.

The trick is to plan......so you want to load 500 rounds tomorrow night? Then load 500 bullets in tubes tonight and the session will smoke! Most importantly..........your brain can focus only on powder charge and priming carefully. If you plan smart, load tubes on the night your favorite series are on, and reload ammo on the weekend.

You can always build a H.M. collator or buy one down the road if want, when you can.....to replace the tubes or fill 'em. ;)
 
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I have to agree.

I've never understood why the case feeder was so popular when shoving a case into the side of a cutout in the shell plate seemed so simple.

Hornady makes it even easier by equipping their seating die with a sliding extension collar to correct slight misalignments between the bullet and the case mouth.

Having additional tubes of bullets already loaded when you start save a lot of time as you empty he tubes...I'll bet it's faster than refilling the primer tube.

Pain: Yes, BTDT more than once
 
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