"Official" i594 Rally Thread - December 13, 2014

I'm not trying to be a buzz kill, but I'm a bit confused. Help me understand why/how a "We will be breaking this law" rally is going to benefit anyone.

If all it takes to get laws repealed is for the public to refuse to comply, murder would be legal already. It may have worked for repealing the alcohol prohibition, but that seems to have been an isolated incident.

Close the barn door, the horse has escaped.

Thanks for info.

Remembered the date, couldn't remember the details.

Note: 594 will be IN EFFECT when this rally takes place.

So "MyGreenGuns stated

Note: 594 will be IN EFFECT when this rally takes place.

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No, no it will not be in effect. The state legislature still has to meet, review and add this measure into the RCW. That's not going to happen until next year.

No, no it will not be in effect. The state legislature still has to meet, review and add this measure into the RCW. That's not going to happen until next year.

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OK. I was just going off my voter pamphlet.
It says, "The effective date of the initiative is December 4, 2014."

EDIT: It does say this under "General Assumptions" so I probably shouldn't "assume" they will have it done by then.

I mean there was a rally in Westlake park before the initiative passed. That was the time to get a wave of people involved. I tried my best, on this board and elsewhere. Maybe a hundred people showed up.

Any sort of after-the-fact bravado is pointless, in my opinion.

And, also my opinion, any flaunting of the law will not play well with the masses.

The #1 thing that has me worried is how 594 actually REDEFINES what a gun is. Here's the quote straight from the bill.

"(9) "Firearm"
means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
(10)
"Gun" has the same meaning as firearm."

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That wordage means that most fireworks, nail guns, etc will be considered a firearm too. Cant imagine Home Depot doing 4473's for nailguns....

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The #1 thing that has me worried is how 594 actually REDEFINES what a gun is. Here's the quote straight from the bill.

"(9) "Firearm"
means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
(10)
"Gun" has the same meaning as firearm."

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That wordage means that most fireworks, nail guns, etc will be considered a firearm too.

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Every nailgun I've seen was powered by compressed air, just like BB and pellet guns. They aren't firearms under 594.

That said, the topic of your post is on point: 594 is poorly written garbage.

Every nailgun I've seen was powered by compressed air, just like BB and pellet guns. They aren't firearms under 594.

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I'm referring to all the ones that use .22 blanks. Like these: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-Hammer-Shot-0-22-Caliber-Single-Shot-Tool-00022/100091715

They will be firearms under I594. Actually, a combustion engine is a firearm under the same conditions. You *can put a projectile in the exhaust pipe and now your car is a "firearm". An engine is a device from which a projectile can be fired using an explosive. Yes, its going to get ripped to pieces in court.

I for one will call the sheriffs dept on DEC 4th and report that firearms are being sold illegally at Home Depot and every other hardware/tool store in the state. If enough attention is brought to the forefront of just how stupid this law is (and not just to the gun community but even to the people who voted for it), then maybe the word will spread and changes will be made.

As it is written now, if a contractor lets an employee use his Ramset or similar tool on a jobsite, he will be committing a crime.

Oh gotcha, the tool for driving nails into concrete (never knew what they were called lol). Good call; I believe you're absolutely right.

I'm not sure how I feel about calling the cops to hardware stores for that. I mean, you're right in that these are technically violations of the law. It's a shame that it's come to this, but you may be right about this being a means to getting 594 into court. My fear is that they won't repeal the law, but rewrite the parts that are idiotic (like the definition of firearm you pointed out).

Official text of event

News release: 11/07/14. Washington State.

TO: All media organizations and groups.
FROM: Gavin Seim, lead organizer of the “I WILL NOT Comply Rally”.

Initiative 594 just passed in Washington State, bringing on residents mandatory gun background checks and making it a felony to privately purchase or even hand a gun to a friend without government permission. We the people of Washington State will not comply with this lawless legislation. The highest law is that of liberty and our Constitution. Our rights will be upheld.

On Dec 13th 2014, just after the law is legally in effect, we stand and disobey the illegal restrictions of i594. We must not wait for our rights to be decided but act swiftly to affirm them. In under 72 hours over 5000 have RSVP’d to this stand on Capital grounds in Olympia and assert their God given rights.

Learn more about this peaceful civil rebellion here: http://callmegav.com/ral/

View the event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033


Joining in the event will be speakers, patriots and families from across the State to remind our legislators that lawless legislation will not be obeyed and to teach others about their rights.
Will you bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, or will you stand for the liberty of your children? We are not asking permission, we are not standing silent. Our birthright is not theirs to take. We stand peaceful, principled, firm and resolute for the liberty so many have perished for. We stand to uphold law and we will not comply with lawlessness from government.

We Stand! Stand with us.

In Liberty – Gavin Seim.
[email protected]

I'll be there with a car load of gun rights supporters

What is the current legal action ?

Does anyone know who is bringing this before a court > There are several holes that would bring it into a court (vagueness of definition of a firearm, what a transfer is, etc.)

I head a lot about how there would be a legal battle but have seen nothing in terms of action being taken

"The event is scheduled to start at 11am, attendees are encouraged to open carry."

Why so? In my opinion this would likely do more harm than good to the opinion of the 'neutral' observer we are trying to convince. What message is open carrying at the rally going to convey?

I wish they would organize a rally on my side of the state. You wanna see a large block of extremely pissed voters come across the cascades. May be time to re-visit that east washington secession movement after a 20 year hiatus.

Bobson - there are also nailguns that use a battery and a butane cartridge so they don't have hoses dragging all over the place.

I believe they are called "Paslode" but I'm unsure of the spelling.

Because they use a fuel/air mix that is "detonated" and aren't tied to another machine, these will probably qualify as a "gun" too.

Because they use a fuel/air mix that is "detonated" and aren't tied to another machine, these will probably qualify as a "gun" too.

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As will many fireworks, model rockets, engines, the list goes on. Even your arse hole is considered a "firearm" under this Initiative. Its a device that *can fire a projectile with an explosive (methane). Yes, now we in WA can truly say our arsehole is a lethal weapon..... The wording in this bill literally makes EVERYONE in WA a criminal.

Also, well made signs (especially pointing out the criminalization of the safety practice of handing off a firearm while crossing a fence or teaching someone to shoot) can illustrate the wrong headedness of the law.

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I believe one of the transfer exceptions applies to individuals lawfully engaged in hunting which I imagine is the scenario most likely to involve crossing fences.

amen to that .what will this accomplish?

It will accomplish making it clear that we WILL NOT COMPLY.