Top plastic pistols and why?

Hi-Point.

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About as top heavy as Dolly Partin...........but most say that they shoot decent.

HS 2000.. oh wait maybe I'm late

Another vote for the Sig 2022 I recently bought one in DET and have to say I wasn't sure if it was going to compare to any of the other Sigs I've owned but I am pleasently surprised with its function and reliability , for the price point they make a better choice then a Ruger SR9 ( I've owned two ) better trigger ,night sites,more accurate , and cheaper. There good guns and a nice addition to anyone's collecting

And the VP9 has about as good a trigger as you will find on a striker gun, about a dead heat with the PPQ.

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Both trail the the Walther P99AS in terms of trigger feel.

I didn't know they even made more than one polymer pistol

The magazine disconnect in a Ruger SR series pistol is easily removed.

One reason for Ruger's lack of popularity on the web is they don't market them to Military and LEO. LEO and Mil surplus put a lot of used specimens on the market.
and I'll add the STI GP6/Grand Powers K100 to the underappreciated mix, amazing trigger

It takes a thick piece of plastic to hold up like a piece of steel, and in my experience it makes the grips too bulky...

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You need to shoot more guns!

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I have glocks, smiths, Hks,etc. I think a super underrated polymer pistol is the steyr m series. I really like mine. The walther PPQ is also another gun that should be more popular than it is.

I'll toss in the H&K series: VP9, P30, USPf/c, P2000. All plastic lowers. Really rugged and reliable. But too pricey to make the top 3 list. And besides, all on the top 3 from the OP are strikers and until the VP9, H&K hadn't built one in years.

(Minor rant: I don't know why some people are still put off by plastic. I accept that steel or Al alloy has a more solid and satisfying 'feel', but plastic is more durable, lighter to carry and lower maintenance in most environments. Heck, they make parts of the B2 bomber out of the stuff. And because it can still be strong when thin, things like swappable grips can be added)

I'll echo the notion that the Beretta PX4 is a badly underappreciated polymer pistol. It's top-notch in build quality, totally reliable, and super-accurate. It has the added advantage of being the softest-shooting poly pistol in its each of its respective calibers that I've ever shot, thanks to the rotating/non-tilting barrel's radial dissipation of felt recoil.

If the PX4 is good enough to be Bill Wilson's favorite poly pistol, it probably can't be too shabby.

SP2022 is a fantastic gun for a steal of a price... I see them for under $400 with good regularity.

Bersa BP9CC is another hugely underrated gun, high value.

The magazine disconnect in a Ruger SR series pistol is easily removed.

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Same with a Hi-Point.

I'd really like to get a Hi-Point, just out of morbid curiosity. Preferably in .40 or .45, just so I can have the ugliest handgun produced in modern memory. Not going to spend more than $100 on one, though.

Out of my collection of 75? handguns, mostly semi's, I never owned a Hi Point. Bought on approx. 2 months ago just for kicks, a C9. I've been pleasantly surprised. After working up a hand load I like I've never experienced a FTF or a FTE, or any other problem of any kind.

Ugly??? No more so than a Glock IMO.
Heavy??? Check the weights of other full sized pistols.
Warranty??? Better than most others, only one to come close is SCCY's
Accuracy??? Better than me.

Right now I'd take a CZ P09/P07 over any other plastic gun I've owned, which is several of the most popular ones.

since when does popularity = best???

jcwit said:

Out of my collection of 75? handguns, mostly semi's, I never owned a Hi Point. Bought on approx. 2 months ago just for kicks, a C9. I've been pleasantly surprised. After working up a hand load I like I've never experienced a FTF or a FTE, or any other problem of any kind.

Ugly??? No more so than a Glock IMO.
Heavy??? Check the weights of other full sized pistols.
Warranty??? Better than most others, only one to come close is SCCY's
Accuracy??? Better than me.

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I expect the gun would probably work well. It sounds like most of the reliability issues the guns have can be fixed by messing with the feed lips on the magazines. If that doesn't do it, Hi-Point CS will apparently make sure it's working before they send it back, which often seems not to be the case with some brands (Taurus). The blowback design is a simple one, so even if they're far from refined, they're probably less likely to suffer problems out of the box than crudely-finished pistols of a more complicated design (any proprietary Taurus semi-auto design, for instance).

I would never willingly rely for SD on a gun with, among other things, zinc-alloy trigger bars and other small parts because I have much better options. That said, Hi-Points are far more reliable and durable than a number of low-end pistols with which they are commonly and unfairly grouped in internet discussion (Jennings, Raven, Lorcin, etc.).

Anyway, I only alleged ugliness, not any of the other things. The warranty/CS is as good as it gets, and the accuracy will be more than sufficient. But I will note that the weight distribution of the guns is far from ideal, especially with the massive slides of the .40/.45 monsters. And no one can reasonably argue that a Hi-Point's build quality matches up with that of the better brands. When you pay <$150 for a pistol, you make some sacrifices. As for ugliness, yes, I would say they make a Glock look like a Beretta. That freak-show aspect is part of why I'm interested in owning one at some point. I don't think Glocks are attractive by any means, but they're far easier on the eyes than this cordless-drill-looking monstrosity:

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Who else out there makes an underrated plastic pistol?

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Walther.

It [the Walther P99AS] also has what is easily the best trigger of any striker-fired pistol on the market today (including the PPQ and VP9).

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Surely you jest!

Truth be told, I've never shot a P99AS. Hard to imagine it being better than the trigger on the PPQ, but I will admit it's possible, since I don't know firsthand. As far as the VP9 trigger is concerned - I wasn't impressed. I prefer the Glock trigger over it.

I would never willingly rely for SD on a gun with, among other things, zinc-alloy trigger bars and other small parts because I have much better options. That said, Hi-Points are far more reliable and durable than a number of low-end pistols with which they are commonly and unfairly grouped in internet discussion (Jennings, Raven, Lorcin, etc.).

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All working parts you mentioned are steel.

If that doesn't do it, Hi-Point CS will apparently make sure it's working before they send it back, which often seems not to be the case with some brands (Taurus).

Was not the case with the one I purchased.

That freak-show aspect is part of why I'm interested in owning one at some point. I don't think Glocks are attractive by any means, but they're far easier on the eyes than this cordless-drill-looking monstrosity:

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Well that is strictly nothing more than an opinion, granted it is held by many tho, but I'm guessing those many are ones who never owned one.

I will say that the 40 & 45 cal. Would look better without the magazine extension. Esily rectified with the purchase of a magazine without the extension.

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HK fan though I am it would still be fun to pick up a PPQ M1 someday.

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All working parts you mentioned are steel.

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Good to hear. I've heard people say that some of the internals are Zamak, but I haven't inspected one. If that's not the case, glad to hear it.

Was not the case with the one I purchased.

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So Hi-Point either could not or would not get yours to function properly?

Well that is strictly nothing more than an opinion

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Um, obviously. Is there any aesthetic judgment that isn't?

granted it is held by many tho, but I'm guessing those many are ones who never owned one.

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I'd be quite surprised if any significant proportion of even those who own Hi-Points would argue that the guns are winners in the looks department.

Another vote for the Beretta Px4 Storm in any size or caliber. Seriously under appreciated but I have found my Px4 SC to be uber reliable with any type of ammunition I have thrown at it, accurate, easy to maintain, high capacity. Here's my Px4 SC with factory adjustable sights, snap grip pinky extension, and Talon grips:



I was not a fan of polymer pistol frames until I owned a Px4 SC and since then I have purchased several poly framed guns and am growing to actually prefer them.

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