Remington Old vs New

One opinion only: I view "old Remington" as a good riflemaker. Not everything they made was a gem, but the stinkers died a quick death and the good rifles were made for a long time. I view "new Remington" as cutting corners on previously good rifles, making them anywhere from unremarkable to abysmal. But certainly not good.

I have had great luck with new remingtons. Didn't know that the new remingtons had issues until I joined THR. I don't like the cool aid

I don't think there is really any difference. The current Remingtons are as good, or bad, depending on your point of view as they have ever been. Thirty years ago Remongton 700's were made in basically 2 versions, ADL and BDL. Both were of equal quality. The only difference was that the ADL had a blind magazine and sold for $25-$30 less.

The ADL and BDL were both discontinued a few years ago and replaced with the Budget SPS and top end CDL. Both the ADL and BDL are back in limited offerings. The ADL has become a very cheap budget gun with a plastic stock and matte finish. People often complain about the quality. What do you expect for $300 or less.

You can still buy a CDL for around $900 or a BDL for around $700. Those are just as nicely made and finished as they ever were. And when you factor in for inflation a $900 rifle today isn't any more expensive than what a BDL would have cost 30 years ago.

TexasEd said:

So here is the question...It's my understanding Remington was bought out by a French corp. a while back. ...

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No they are owned by an American company...Cerberus

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

I picked up a 1988 made ADL in .30-06 at a pawn shop for $200. That remains, to my mind, the only way of getting a decent Remington at an appropriate price.

my new Rem 700 ADL bought at Dick's sporting goods for less than 450, was re stocked with a new SPS stock from ebay for 52.00 and a BDL TG. It shoots pretty good, as good or better than my two older rem 700s, Trying to find a 700 Long Range in 300 win mag right now


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=738172

I have to agree with jmr40. Remington makes some very nice rifles if you want to pay a fair price. You can also buy a $300 ADL, just depends what you want.

Few years ago I wanted one of the VSSF II rifles in .22.250. The price was about $1100. As I was getting ready to buy a friend suggested buying an SPS VS stainless which was a special run for Cabellas. I ended up picking the rifle up for about $380 with all the rebates. Wasn't a good shooter. After a B&C Medalist stock and Timney trigger it was though.

It's all about cutting costs. But even though things are done cheaply you can still produce a nice finished product if you want to spend a little time and money.

I guess I just don't understand the Remington hate. Yea the R51 was rushed but I still believe they are a decent organization. I also see comments about their ammo being crap. I've never once had an issue with a Remington round white box or GS. I guess others expectations of a firearms manufacturer is different than mine.

Remingtons will get it done but like any long lived company will have its ups and downs. Just look at the pre and post 64 Winchester controversy, etc.

Have had some problems with Remington ammo during the 2008-2009 gun scare--it was some of the dirtiest .45 ACP ammo that I had ever fired. It might have been some that was contracted production by a foreign company.

Remington has been slowly getting worse for about 20 years IMO. The issues there go beyond who owns the company. For the most part, their bread and butter guns like the 700, 1100, and 870 are still serviceable. Fit and finish is nowhere near what it used to be.
Many (most) of their new models have been plagued with issues ranging from annoying to dangerous. To me they fall into the "jack of all trades, master of none" category. They have so many models, and variations of those models, that quality suffers.
To me there is no reason to pay the prices for their higher end models, when there are nicer options from other manufacturers at the same price. Their entry level offerings are horrid, and outclassed by nearly everything in their price range.

I would put their cdl in there with any other rifle in that price range. Their adl is an almost unbelievable value but it's not gonna be a pretty as a ruger m77 or a win70. I put a thread up for a while " what's wrong with remington" I reached the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with the at all. Just key board commandos talking crap and sounding smart. I read all kinds of things like this about ruger or PSE or rossi, mathews, mossberg, nikon, etc.. I take it all with a huge grain of salt.

My cdl is a beauty that prints .5 inch groups with the green box

My nikon holds a zero and catches light.
My Pse is easy to shoot