Choosing Optics For 4595 Carbine:

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This is probably the first thread where my research gave me too much info, so I figured id tell u guys what I have & what I'm using it for to cut down on my choices for optics or a scope. I'm also a newbie to this topic.

I have a Hi-Point 45ACP 4595 Carbine with a forward grip, muzzle compensator, & bipod. The longest range I go to is 35 yds & its where 90% of my shooting is done. I want to group em as tight as possible at 35 yds, so I want something with some magnification, but with a few features that optics have.

Small things like choosing from red/green dot to Bulls eye, to Cross, things like reticles designs at multiple ranges, brightness controls, etc, & nothing that breaks the bank as its only the 45 cal Hi-point Carbine & not an AR! I've seen some good ones on Amazon for under $50 so that's my price point.

Thanks!!!
 
IMO: There are no 'Good Ones' at under $50 bucks.

And too much magnification is much worse then none at 35 yards & less.

You can chuck a rock 35 yards and hit something without trying too hard.

rc
 
Both are cheap Chinese crap.

Either save your money until you can afford a known brand red-dot like a Bushnell or something.

Or don't waste your money.

rc
 
a known brand red-dot like a Bushnell

which is also made in china.

In the world of electronic optics, there's not many affordable options for quality stuff.

Eotech
Aimpoint
C-More
UltraDot
Leupold
maybe a small handful of others, none of which are anywhere near the OP's price-point.

For a 35 yard plinking PCC, I think either of the aforementioned red dots would be fine. My choice would be the UTG, if only because they are a Michigan company and SOME of their stuff is actually made here.
 
This is true.

But Bushnell or other name brand Chinese crap is likely to meet higher quality control standards.

And you know where they are if you have to send one back under warranty.

rc
 
Bushnell's been around for a while, that's a fair point. And for another $15 ontop of the OP's budget, might be the best option.

FYI, I just checked on Leaper's site (makers of UTG products) - their dot sights only get a 2 year warranty, and they also charge a 'warranty processing fee' ?! <wuh?> Lame. What's the point of a warranty if they're going to charge you anyway? At least their non-red dot optics still have a lifetime warranty, even if they are still chinese made.
 
Guys keep in mind that this will be shot 95% of the time in this indoor 35yd range, so expensive optics aren't exactly needed at this point time.

As Tiamat said, "For a 35 yard plinking PCC, I think either of the aforementioned red dots would be fine. My choice would be the UTG, if only because they are a Michigan company and SOME of their stuff is actually made here."
 
Had the Bushnell on a .22 target pistol and it was a decent sight. But then personally I've bought enough cheap stuff that's bit me in the ass I don't mind spending more to get something nice I can really enjoy. I wouldn't go any lesser quality than that. No matter how far you shoot it I like something of good quality over the cheapest I can get away with.
 
Ok i understand & agree, so where should i have my (low end), budget around? Remember i dont need all the bells whistles. How bout a scope for a 35yd indoor range that puts the target in front of me...
 
My 995 came with a Leaper's/UTG/TruGlo (no idea which one, just a red/green tube) on it when I got it, and I haven't bothered swapping it out. When it dies, I'll just put a PA Micro on it. Problem for your purpose is it's just too bright for indoor, precise shooting. No real brightness adjustment, just fireball or brighter fireball. Not worth buying IMO. I had a little TruGlo reflex on a Ruger MKIII 22/45 for awhile, but it stopped working fairly quickly. It's a crapshoot. With Primary Arms, if you have a problem, you can just call them and they'll fix it.

I did put a scope on it for sometime, but the rail is too flimsy and crooked to be reliable with a heavy optic.

Personally, if I were only shooting at 35 yards, I'd just stick to the irons. If I really, REALLY wanted magnification, I'd roll the dice on a Bushnell Rimfire 4x32 or a similarly-priced Tasco 4x. $30 from Walmart, probably will hold up just fine on a .45 carbine, and if it does break, just return it to Walmart... Worth the gamble in my opinion. The Bushnell Rimfire I have is clear enough to see .22" holes at 50 yards, and the adjustments seem positive enough not to move under recoil, so as long as it doesn't break, it'll do what you need...

But having said all that, unless you're sentimentally-attached to the 4595, I can think of several rifles that you could straight flip the Hi Point for that would be more accurate and shoot ammo that costs a fraction of the price of .45 ACP.
 
I played with an UTG product once....actually twice. It fell apart after maybe 20 shots. i sent it back to them and they replaced it. The second one did the same thing...I threw it in the trash and didn't bother with sending it back again. Bushnell is about the bottom of the barrel I would even consider.
 
(Say, how do you quote people on this forum?)

Inebriated; so basically for a 35yd range, a 4x32 scope will put me "face to face" with the bulls eye? If so then I can just find one meant for indoor range lighting & go from there...

Amazon is VERY good to me with returns since I'm a long time loyal customer. They even returned the "glow sight paint" that had a no refund policy & was a 3rd party seller. I contacted the seller directly & since there product worked so poorly, they refunded me my money right away without even asking to return the product as I still have them!!

As for your rifle comment, My next purchase is a rifle, probably a 308, & that I will NOT go cheap on with a scope!

Edit: Just read this in a review on a scope that's close to where I am now: "Having just bought the rifle and wanting a compact scope, but not wanting to commit to expensive optics right away, I couldn't argue with a price of $25 shipped for, Aim Sports Compact 4X32 Scope with Rings"...
 
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SenorXJ said:
(Say, how do you quote people on this forum?)

Copy their text, and type [QUOTE = Username] in front of the text, and [/ quote] at the end of it, without the spaces. Or use the Tapatalk app, which has a built-in quote function.

SenorXJ said:
Inebriated; so basically for a 35yd range, a 4x32 scope will put me "face to face" with the bulls eye? If so then I can just find one meant for indoor range lighting & go from there...

Amazon is VERY good to me with returns since I'm a long time loyal customer. They even returned the "glow sight paint" that had a no refund policy & was a 3rd party seller. I contacted the seller directly & since there product worked so poorly, they refunded me my money right away without even asking to return the product as I still have them!!

Edit: Just read this in a review on a scope that's close to where I am now: "Having just bought the rifle and wanting a compact scope, but not wanting to commit to expensive optics right away, I couldn't argue with a price of $25 shipped for, Aim Sports Compact 4X32 Scope with Rings"...
Will most likely work fine. Obviously any $25 scope is a gamble, but if you can take it back to the store or return it to wherever you got it, then it's a worthwhile gamble. All of the 4x32 scopes out there for $30 or less are basically the same, but you do get better clarity out of them than with variables in that price range.

SenorXJ said:
that I will NOT go cheap on with a scope!
Good move!
 
That TRS25 was already mentioned way back in post number three. But yes, It should do you just fine. I have one on my 22/45 pistol and it is excellent in that role.
 
Does it have any magnification? (im learning here) I saw one that was 5 MOA & a review I read said if u wanted more magnification go to a 4 or 3 MOA, but I wasn't completely sure on what he said. Guess ill also go google that.
 
Since I have a forward grip & a bipod on order, would it be best to try the cheaper 4x32 scope out before stepping up my game?

Sorry, never thought to mention those 2 nifty accessories I have.
 
The TRS-25 isn't magnified. It's just a simple red dot, and the MOA is the size. Don't know what the review meant by 5 MOA, but from what I know, the TRS-25 only comes in 3 MOA. That means the dot covers 3" of target at 100 yards. At 35 yards, the dot will cover about 1 inch. Bushnell may make some 5 MOA dots though, I'm not sure.

If you want magnification, you can use a magnifier, but you're just adding expense and weight, when you could've just purchased a semi-decent scope. For what you'd spend on the TRS and a magnifier, you could easily just get something like a Nikon P223 3x32 for around $150.

If you want to just try a 3 or 4 power scope, then walmart will take returns on just about anything. Or heck, just hit your local Academy or Bass Pro and try out some of the scopes they have mounted on stock blanks.
 
The TRS-25 Trophy is a 3MOA. One more question before I pull the trigger on this purchase, how easy/hard is it to zero in the red dot? Since ive never done it before, my research says u adjust the windage & elevation knobs till the dots at the top of the iron sight. (yes/no?) And if so, can u then remove the stock iron sight for a full view of field? (I'd then get pop up 45 deg iron sights)
 
Yes, as long as they cowitness, you just move the dot to where it sits on top of the front post, then just fine tune it at the range. If they don't cowitness, then just do it the old fashioned way... shoot a group, and then adjust. And make sure it's a good group... Lots of folks have chased the bullseye by taking a poor shot, adjusting, taking another poor shot, adjusting, and so on.
 
So can i remove the stock site past zeroing it out? (if possible)?

*Edit: I googled "cowitness" which is, (correct me if I'm wrong), using ur iron sights front & rear with the red dot in the middle & all are lined up. Then it would be ok to remove my front iron sight...? Remember I'm getting 45 deg pop up iron sights so ill always have a backup.
 
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You may want to take a look at the Sightmark Ultra Shot if you're not looking to spend a lot. I have one mounted on my 10/22 and it works just fine.

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You don't have magnification but you do get several reticle options with it. My unit has minimized feathering on the reticles as well, which is always a plus when spending under $100.

Mike C
 
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