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A few months ago, I walked into a pawn shop to rack check for good rifle deals as I often do. I immediately fell in love with, and bought, a 1915 Mauser Gewehr 98 for $200 from him. I knew it would be a project, but I couldn't get it out of my mind. It had been sporterized to 6mm Rem a few decades ago, apparently in Europe according to an old gunsmith I know, and even though the stock needs a lot of love, the action and heavier-than-average barrel are in phenomenal condition. After having it checked over for condition and cast for caliber/cartridge (since the barrel wasn't stamped), I decided to take it for a spin with a box of Hornady 6mm Rem I picked up. In the end, to leave an even longer story shorter, I split 2 of the 4 cartridges I fired through it (yes, factory loaded new). Clearly, I have a serious issue of too much head space. I have pondered for the last several weeks how much work and $ should be put into this rifle and what path to take with it. Although I'm sure that this rifle has a very checkered past, I have this gut feeling that it would be a damn fine shooter with just a little TLC. Bottom line, I guess my question is, how much does it cost to have a barrel dropped back to reduce head space (doesn't need to be a full turn since it's not tapped for sights) and, is it worth it? I'm able to do the stock work myself but I've never had lathe work done by a gunsmith so the cost of fixing the headspace scares me. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
Can you describe the "split"? Is there a split lengthwise, or did you get full or partial head separation (the case cracked all or part of the way around just ahead of the base).

In either case, the problem may not be excess headspace. Since the caliber was not marked, it might not be as described. I would make a chamber cast to try to determine the actual caliber. Also slug the bore; it might not even be 6mm; it could be 6.5x55 or some other calliber.

Jim
 
After having it checked over for condition and cast for caliber/cartridge (since the barrel wasn't stamped),

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

I would make a chamber cast to try to determine the actual caliber.

I would suggest reloaders learn to make chamber cast, I do not find it necessary because I form cases. In an effort to assist a smith that was building 6mm Remington 22 Wildcats I formed 30/06 and 25/06 to 6mm Remington 22 Wildcat cases. He had 50% failures as in case head separations, all he had to do was check to determine which case allowed the bolt to close. I made two sets, I kept one set and sent him one. Instead of following the instructions he tried to load the cases I sent him. I made sure he could not load the cases, my intent was to form cases that fit his chamber, once I knew the length of his chamber from the datum to the bolt face.

The different test cases I made would allow him to check the chamber length of all the 6mm Remington 22 Wilcat rifles he had built. The test cases I sent him had 20 different lengths from shorter than a go-gage length chamber to beyond a chamber that exceeded a field reject length chamber.

F. Guffey
 
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Kp321, I did not receive a PM from you.

As for the rest, I posted a picture of the four fired rounds on here. The gunsmith I took the rifle to did do a chamber cast (though he did it with sulfar not cerrosafe) and we matched it side by side with a 6mm Rem Round and they looked the same. According to him, the barrel is definitely a 6mm and since it was built on an original Mauser action, it has to be a x57mm cartridge...meaning a 6x57mm, otherwise known as a .244 Remington/6mm Remington." I am not a smith, but the chamber cast and 6mm Rem cartridge did appear identical to me. What did make him curious is where and how the cartridges split. I asked him about the headspace and he said, "there is a little excess headspace, but that's not out of the ordinary for a sporterized Mauser and there shouldn't be enough to cause that kind of split".

Maybe I just need to take it to another smith for a "second opinion" of sorts or just do a cerrosafe cast myself. Thoughts?
 

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SmokingFrye said:
...According to him, the barrel is definitely a 6mm and since it was built on an original Mauser action, it has to be a x57mm cartridge...meaning a 6x57mm, otherwise known as a .244 Remington/6mm Remington....

Nope.
 
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According to him, the barrel is definitely a 6mm and since it was built on an original Mauser action, it has to be a x57mm cartridge

You need to find a gunsmith that knows what he's doing.

The original Mauser action has been chambered for almost every rifle cartridge ever made.
 
Besides having it recast for caliber again, does anyone have any thoughts on the brass pic I posted if the rifle is in fact 6mm Remington?
 
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Frye, you got a box of bad ammunition. Are you sure this was actually factory, or could it have been somebodies too-many-times-reloads? One of the great advantages of the controlled-feed Mauser design is that the extractor holds the cartridge against the bolt face as it fires. As a result, if the chamber is longer than the cartridge shoulder, the brass just forms out to fit. These cases did not flow, but were either too brittle or had a thin area that cracked. Before you go messing with the rifle, I would suggest you get some fresh ( preferably other maker ) ammunition and try again.

Matter of fact, contacting Hornaday about this failure would be a good idea, if this is recent manufacture you may have a recall situation. Make sure you have the lot number info from the box.
 
The shoulder on the fired case looks too sharp to be 6mm Remington, but the one unsplit case would be going under the calipers for a measurement if it were me. This is a picture of a 6mm case.

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The shoulder on the fired case looks too sharp to be 6mm Remington, but the one unsplit case would be going under the calipers for a measurement if it were me. This is a picture of a 6mm case.

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I agree, the fired brass looks like 6mm Remington Ackley improved. But to restate it once more, have the chamber cast done again.
 
The fired brass was brand new factory Hornady 95 gr SST 6mm Remington. That's not to say the rifle is definitely a 6mm Rem if the previous gunsmith wasn't correct. I'm set up to have the rifle looked at again by a competent gunsmith.
 
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