Smith & Wesson 1006 trouble. Help!!!!

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I have a Smith & Wesson 1006 that has about 600 rounds through it. After running 500 trouble free rounds through it I am getting failure to eject issues ever magazine. My handloads are on the hot side (180g. bullet 1300 fps) which is a max load. Even with weaker factory UMC loads the results are the same. The frustrating part is it has been to the factory twice. As a matter of fact it came back the the second time yesterday and the pictures below are the result of the second round fired today. Al the failures are exactly the same.

The extractor was replaced the first time to the shop.This most recent trip they polished the chamber and replaced the extractor spring. The only think I can think of is the ejector might be a little short. It does not seem to have any mushrooming or preening but it is all I can think of. Below are pictures of the failure and ejector.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sammy

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Without actually watching you shoot it, it's hard to tell. My first instinct is to suggest gripping the gun tighter. It's a hot round and it wouldn't take much of a 'relaxed' grip to cause an event similar to what is pictured. Also make sure you're not inadvertently touching the slide with one of your thumbs. Wouldn't take much to slow down the slide enough to cause the same thing.
 
It might be the recoil spring, but one that is too strong, not too weak. It looks like the slide is not recoiling enough.

Jim
 
What Jim K said, whether it's a S&W or some other pistol. Given a reasonably firm grip, the photos suggest to me a recoil spring to strong for the ammo used. I've had multiple 1006s, 1026s and 1076s that just worked. I use standard weight recoil springs. The low velocity FBI "10MM Lite" type loads do extract lazily, but do extract and eject reliably. If your load does actually chronograph 1300 FPS, it is not 10MM Lite. The more powerful stuff, similar to your load, ejects so energetically from my current 1026 that I can usually find an expended case or two in the parking lot 20+ feet behind my shooting position....
 
+1 on Jim K and Rock185

I had a 1006 and I loaded hot rounds (The S&W 1006 is a tank and can take it) but used the standard weight spring. Never had a problem. I knew some folks who were buying and installing heavier springs from Wolf Manufacturing into their 10s; perhaps you bought your gun with one of these aftermarket springs.

Also the gun is big. I had to make sure I was gripping the gun correctly when firing.

Selling my 1006 is one of those things I wish I had not of. Keep working with it.
 
I just remembered that my 1006 was particular about brass. Dirty or out-of-spec brass used in the reloads just didn't do very well.
 
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have a recoil spring on the way. I will report back.
 
Why would the recoil spring cause a failure to eject? As long as the slide comes back smartly it is up to the extractor and ejector to get rid of the case. Wouldn't a weaker recoil spring be better for proper ejection?
 
Interesting. My 1006 eats every known 10mm round out there and some most reloaders have never tried.

Is the recoil spring stock?

How is your magazine? Or rather the mag spring? Do you have multiple mags?
 
That gun will always give you nothing but grief. I run a shelter for abandoned and neglected firearms. I would be glad to.............
 
sammy wrote,
Why would the recoil spring cause a failure to eject? As long as the slide comes back smartly it is up to the extractor and ejector to get rid of the case. Wouldn't a weaker recoil spring be better for proper ejection?
That is correct. The "fella's" think you may have put in a stronger than standard recoil spring to compensate for your... "handloads are on the hot side (180g. bullet 1300 fps) which is a max load."
Jim K wrote,
It might be the recoil spring, but one that is too strong, not too weak. It looks like the slide is not recoiling enough.
 
UPDATE!!!!

The recoil spring was replaced with a factory 18 lbs spring. It was actually shorter than what was in there but it is a bit stronger (more difficult to work the slide).

Out of 3 magazines it failed to extract 4 times. I am about ready to get rid of this thing.

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Any impute would help. I am out of ideas. :fire:
 
Out of 3 magazines it failed to extract...
If by that you mean only one of your three magazines is associated with failures, then I'd assume that magazine has a problem. If that's the case, mark it and don't use it. Or maybe use it for malf drills.

If that were the case for me, I'd rebuild the magazine if possible. Followers may be hard to find but Wolff has springs. Maybe your follower is just sticking. I had that problem and a little smoothing with 600 grit emery cloth fixed it's sticking. I don't know ... is there grit in the magazines maybe? Clean all three.

After reading your original post, our next outing included my 1006. As usual, all six magazines worked to perfection but I changed to Wolff +10% springs several years ago. $18 or so for a pack of three is a cheap fix. If it doesn't fix the problem at least you have "better" magazines and you know for the problem is not weak magazine springs.
 
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Without reassembling the barrel and recoil spring into the slide, put the slide on the frame and work it back and forth. Does it move freely?

I dropped my slide on the floor just right one time and it crimped the rail enough to make it have more friction on the frame. That was an expensive mistake.
 
I think you're limp wristing the gun.

Take a good two-handed push-pull grip and see what happens. And have someone else give it a try.

As stated above, the three possible causes of that malfunction are:

-Underpowered ammo
-Overpowered recoil spring
-limpwristing

If your loads actually do achieve 1,300 with 180's, then is certainly ain't weak ammo. And now it is obviously not the spring.

The 10XX series (and all 3rd gen S&Ws) are ubiquitous for many reasons, but jamming isn't one of them. They're pretty well known for digesting everything. I've even run .45 GAP in my 4516 and 4506 without trouble, and my 1006 has run fine with everything from wimpy UMC factory loads to my 180 gr @ 1,406 FPS nuclear handloads. It also chews on .40 S&W, but I don't advise the Ted Nugent ammo drill.
 
The slide and frame slide easily with no spring. I don't think limp wirsting is possible with this gun. I have a kung-fu grip and have trouble anticipating the recoil more than any other pistol I own.

Keep in mind the pistol has had hundreds of trouble free rounds through it.

KU4HX, the gun has several magazines but I will number them and try and eliminate that. Being an extraction problem how would the magazine be at fault?

Any other ideas?
 
I had a very similar issue with my CZ P-07. It was gunk on the extractor claw. Check your extractor for damage, dirt, or a bad extractor spring.
 
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