No weapons allowed

I disarm and then go in.

I probably risked my life more by driving to the place than I theoretically would by being disarmed inside. Depending on your locale and the citizenry, YMMV.

They're misguided for sure to prohibit carry, but I don't let myself get too bent out of shape over it.

I do also carry some little business cards to give out, explaining why they should remove their sign.

How is ignoring a "No Weapons" sign materially different than the debate about whether or not a bakery has to bake a cake for someone whom they do not wish to bake a cake?

Proprietors, in my opinion, should be able to choose their clientele just like consumers should be able to choose where to spend their time and cash.

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But failing that, the rules should be the same for everyone -- Stores like Sears, for example should be excoriated for stopping the sale of guns.

I do also carry some little business cards to give out, explaining why they should remove their sign.

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And if enough folks would just do that, it will be amazing how things might change.......and if your favorite beer and wings bar doesn't?, there are plenty of others who want your business - no difference than the big brouhaha about gays and cake vendors.

"OH BS - just do not go in. THOSE folks have rights as well; funny how many here want to trample those in pursuit of their own." - oneounceload

I'll agree and disagree...

You are legally incorrect if you assert that a business has no inherent liability in denying a customer the means of self-defense on its property.

A man's life is just as precious in Obama's Nightmare Theater as is it in the backyard. The right to self-defense is inherent and inviolable by any human, no matter his stature, ideology or title...nor by any gov't, constructed by the will of the people or otherwise. It is a God-given, unalienable right not to be infringed. Period. Point blank.

On the other hand, I am in favor of a private business owner reserving the right to deny service to anyone. Period. Point blank. And as a result, there are local, national and global businesses that will never get a single cent of my discretionary income. If you don't want my business, just make it apparent...the simple fact is that somebody else does want to do business with me.

Let the free market prevail...and the business succeed or fail on its principles, obviously to include the choice to transact or not with a given customer.

Anything else, especially if dictated by government, is unacceptable in a free society...state and federal law be damned.

I don't

pay any attention to the signs. I wear my .44 in my belt whether I go into the doctor's office, the bank, a restaruant or the PO. No one has challenged me.

" I don't pay any attention to the signs." - Garrobo

Well, swell...but where do you live and what is the local, state and/or federal law that you suggest you defy, have legally defeated or enjoy?

Give us some detail, and tell us why we should live in your neighborhood. We don't pay much attention to anonymous boasts...although you probably live in a state I've visited recently...and carried accordingly.

We need details, please. They are important to our cause.

The local mall here has signs on the doors that no weapons allowed, but has a store that sells swords from small to claymores. The hypocrisy is just stunning.

Vern Humphrey said:

But failing that, the rules should be the same for everyone -- Stores like Sears, for example should be excoriated for stopping the sale of guns

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So true, Major. Growing up in Miami and Greensboro, North Carolina in the 1950's, Sears was our store of choice. My Mom and my much older sisters did a vast amount of their shopping there.

I loved to go along to look at all the rifles in their cases. Ted Williams, besides being a great ball player, was a great outdoorsman and was a Sear's spokesman for decades.

It's tragic to see how this once great enterprise has succumbed to the villain of our time, Political Correctness.

At least, as Sinatra sang, they can't take the memories away from me.

I have never left my pistol in the car.

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pay any attention to the signs. I wear my .44 in my belt whether I go into the doctor's office, the bank, a restaruant or the PO. No one has challenged me.

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Be careful of the PO! That is a Federal Law, and even driving into a Post Office parking lot to drop off mail in the outside drop is technically illegal if you are carrying a loaded gun in the vehicle.
Never heard of it being enforced, but it could be if they found out about it. But yes, I have occasionally driven through the lot to drop off my mail too, but I do make a point of not carrying inside, when I have business in the PO.
I really could do without the hassle of a Federal Felony Firearm conviction. And don't think Obama's pet Eric Holder wouldn't do it in a heartbeat.

So true, Major. Growing up in Miami and Greensboro, North Carolina in the

1950's, Sears was our store of choice. My Mom and my much older sisters did a vast amount of their shopping there.

I loved to go along to look at all the rifles in their cases. Ted Williams, besides being a great ball player, was a great outdoorsman and was a Sear's spokesman for decades.

It's tragic to see how this once great enterprise has succumbed to the villain of our time, Political Correctness.

At least, as Sinatra sang, they can't take the memories away from me.

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So why don't we start raising the issue? For Sears to refuse to sell guns is at least as bigoted as a Pizza place refusing to cater a gay wedding.

I agree. But I'll have to do it by mail or email. My hearing has degraded to less than 5% serving my country for 6 years in the U.S. Army.

M-60 Tank rounds, 50 & 30 Caliber machine guns finished off the job.

Your orders will be followed, Sir.

I have to get a UA every year for work. The place I have to go is posted and because I'm there on company time I obey the rule. I don't know of anyplace else that I go to that is posted.

I have a lock box in my car

The right to self-defense is inherent and inviolable by any human, no matter his stature, ideology or title...nor by any gov't, constructed by the will of the people or otherwise. It is a God-given, unalienable right not to be infringed. Period. Point blank.

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No one is saying a right to self defense isn't inherent, but many folks use other means in lieu of guns......

God -given? What is someone doesn't believe in God? Do they still have that right?

A business has a right to determine who it will serve - the old " no shirt, no shoes, no service" comes to mind, and yes there are few "protected" classes of folks but gun owners are not one of them.

]Now, would I personally as a business turn away green? Nope. But for some folks, for whatever reason, they hold a certain value/belief system and that is THEIR right. If you do not agree, the answer is simple - do not patronize them, let them know why politely and go to their competition.

"For Sears to refuse to sell guns is at least as bigoted as a Pizza place refusing to cater a gay wedding." - Vern

Huh?! How do you equate abandoning a principle [de facto gun control] with standing on principle [asserting your faith and the inherent right to religious freedom]?

I don't mean to be insulting...but do you have any idea what the impetus was for the founding of our country?

The only place I've really even noticed a sign is the doctor's office/mini hospital.

I don't take a gun in but my knife goes EVERYWHERE.

"No one is saying a right to self defense isn't inherent, but many folks use other means in lieu of guns......

God -given? What is [sic] someone doesn't believe in God? Do they still have that right?"

1. Neither individual nor entity has the right to determine what tool I use for self-defense. It's my life and the lives of those I would defend, so I'll make the choice.

2. They don't have that right if their god is a tyrannical government and they willingly accept the abuse of that inherent right. Governments specialize in abrogation for the purpose of power.

Only a fool would agree that a government conveys inherent rights...because if rights come from a government, that government has the authority to extinguish those rights.

"If you do not agree, the answer is simple - do not patronize them, let them know why politely and go to their competition."

Well, sir...that is exactly what I said. We agree.

1. Neither individual nor entity has the right to determine what tool I use for self-defense. It's my life and the lives of those I would defend, so I'll make the choice.

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Try that in a government building, airport, cruise terminal, and a host of other places.....good luck with that...............

If I'm caught flat-footed (meaning I didn't realize the place was posted and I'm carrying), my actions are predicated on what the state law says. If the sign carries no legal weight, then I MAY just enter and do my business like normal. Depends on what the circumstances are.

If the state law gives the posting the weight of law, I'll not enter with my gun.

In general, I tend to respect the wishes of the business whether their posting carries the force of law or not. Which means that, in general, I don't do business with such stores in the first place.

Under no circumstances will I intentionally violate the law with respect to posted no-guns areas.

locations ( Post Office, Federal buildings...) that I know about, I plan my trip accordingly.
than go home and 'get dressed' for the rest of the days adventures.

if I come across a posted sign ( and like many have said -- I do not go looking for them) I'd either do my business and than not go back or go to plan B; shop elsewhere. if I do go in, Ct law , they can ask you to leave and so I would -- if it ever happened.
I will not disarm in public as that lets Murphy in: people may see you and call in a MWAG. but more importantly, the more you handle the gun, the more room there is for error. and -- i'll not leave a loaded gun unattended in my car.

"Try that in a government building, airport, cruise terminal, and a host of other places.....good luck with that............... " - oneounceload

You are still confused. Once more:

Your acceptance of the tyrannical governmental abuse of the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the ratified Constitution result in obeisance.

You are part of the problem if your mindset is to accept anything your overlords can impose on your behavior.

Good luck with that multi-digit tattoo...

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The only place I've really even noticed a sign is the doctor's office/mini hospital.

I don't take a gun in but my knife goes EVERYWHERE.

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Ditto, and ditto.

Your acceptance of the tyrannical governmental abuse of the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the ratified Constitution result in obeisance.

You are part of the problem if your mindset is to accept anything your overlords can impose on your behavior.

Good luck with that multi-digit tattoo...

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Confused? Not hardly. Just a believer in private property rights. My place, my rules. Don't like them, then go elsewhere - what is so hard for YOU to comprehend?

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Boys, boys ! Let's keep it friendly.

If I run across that I stop doing business with them, less any locations where firearms are prohibited by law. In the past when it was just an occasional, non-agenda driven deal and I was C/Cing, I'd just disregard the sign. I have seen one large volume retail business in my area that banned firearms. Probably about 70% locals and the remainder folks coming off the interstate. They took a serious financial hit from "boycotts", negative postings in Facebook, etc. They changed their policy after about 2 months or so. I respect the rights of owners to establish and enforce personal conduct codes for their businesses and I in turn respond accordingly.