why all the m&p. 45 hate?

I've NEVER heard anyone hating the M&P 45, and especially NOT the M&P45c. I only ever heard wishful thoughts about wanting the 9c and 40c the same size as the 45c (or G19 sized)... I heard general bashing of ALL M&P triggers, but other than that, nothing exclusively directed at the M&P45.

I'm willing to bet anything that the OP is referring to what he read on a Glock related site, forum, or from a Glock fan. I'm a member of the Kel-Tec, DiamondBack, Taurus, S&W, Sig, Kahr, AR15, and a few other popular general firearm, EDC, and knife related forums, and I've never seen such a comment. The only forums I avoid like the plague are Glock forums. No offence to anyone, but the pompous attitudes of many Glock fans is off putting.

I had an M&P 45c and sold it to get another gun. I am considering getting another one.

Saw a guy at the range the other day with a M&P40. First M&P series I've seen in person and in action.

I saw it when the guy came up to me asking for an extraction tool. The case was stuck in the chamber pretty good. He said it jams at least once every magazine.

I never had any intention of buying an M&P handgun, and now I know I never will.

Glocks and Sigs FTW

Hammer059: That's very interesting about the case being stuck in the chamber. Do you know what brand of ammunition that shooter was using?

No clue. I didn't even think to look. I realize that every company occasionally lets a lemon slip out, but it certainly wasn't a good first impression. Poor guy had to pack his stuff up and head home because the case was in there pretty good.

First M&P series I've seen in person and in action.

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Don't get around much, do you?

The case was stuck in the chamber pretty good. He said it jams at least once every magazine.

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Sounds more like an ammo problem than a gun problem.

I never had any intention of buying an M&P handgun, and now I know I never will.

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If the rest of us gave up on any brands of firearms simply because we saw one malfunction in a sample of one, most of us probably wouldn't buy too many guns. The M&P is a proven platform; a problem with one pistol in the hands of an owner who can't figure out what's going on is not a deal-breaker for people who actually know a thing or two about how guns function.

Saw a guy at the range the other day with a M&P40. First M&P series I've seen in person and in action.

I saw it when the guy came up to me asking for an extraction tool. The case was stuck in the chamber pretty good. He said it jams at least once every magazine.

I never had any intention of buying an M&P handgun, and now I know I never will.

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That's some clear thinking there.

ritepath said:

Because it's not a Glock....

To many folks there's only one brand of pistol and all others are made for idiots that don't know better.

The M&P45 steps on their toes (along with all others)

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This more than anything else.

I've owned quite a few M&P's since they arrived on the market, and the one thing I've seen more than anything else with regard to M&P hating is that the Glock guys (former Glock owner here) will say just about any disparaging thing about M&Ps to protect the Glock turf. It is an amazing thing to behold.

I've owned two M&P Smiths and loved them no problems at all. I just prefer Glocks but I would recommend an M&P to anyone. No hate here.

Looks like my shared experience caused some butthurt among certain folks.

I'm not making any claims about the M&P series, or saying they're all crap. I'm just sharing MY experience and observation with them. Interpret it however you like.

Actually Old Dog, usually I shoot on private property, so no I "don't get around much" to the actual range. <edit>

M&P .45acp .....

I owned a compact S&W Military and Police .45acp in 2013. It was a great CCW gun and I had 0 problems with it.
I used it often and CCed/open carry it in a left hand Blackhawk SERPA holster with no problems.
I loaded Hornady Critical Duty .45acp and MagSafe SWAT .45acp(home protection) in the M&P .45acp pistol. It fed and would cycle all brands with no flaws or misfires.
I would purchase a NIB .45acp full size M&P in the cool FDE frame with ambi safety & 3 magazines if I could.
Smith and Wesson still offers the M&P offer for 03 new M&P pistol magazines with purchase until 05/31/2015.

I got a Glock 21 .45acp gen 04 in 2014 only because it had 13rd magazines(03) and night sights.

Any thoughts of hating or stirring up the same, you can just keep moving along.

No room on The High Road for that low brow stuff.

be safe

Personally I dont like the M&P and MUCH prefer Springfields XDM over it ANY day!

There seems to be a lot of thin skin people on this forum if someone phrasing a question wrong gets them in a lather. Maybe there should be a list of words and phrases NOT to be used. Come on guys...we are all adults and shouldn't get bent out of shape over simple wording. Glock along with others seems to be the recipient of a lot of bad comments not so well phrased (before I get static feedback) and I don't get upset. I shoot a mixture of pistols and revolvers (No M&P so far but soon I hope) and I try not to get upset when someone bad mouths them. My theory is if you pull the trigger and it goes bang and hits where you point then its a good gun...If I like it I buy it and I don't care what others think. If I don't like a gun I don't buy it but I don't bad mouth it either . I'm not an expert just a shooter. There that's my two cents. Have at it people.

I'll start off by saying that S&W has told me over the phone that the FS M&P9s are supposed to get no less than a 3" group at 25 yards.

I've had 2 FS M&P9s and both had terrible accuracy which was 8" groups at 15 yards and no I'm not kidding. One went back to S&W twice because the first time they only moved the rear sight to shoot far to the left. The second trip back resulted in them replacing the barrel and it still had terrible accuracy at 15 yards (6" groups) with any weight or brand of ammo. The second FS9 was bought not to long ago when they supposedly got the twist rate correct, sadly they didn't. I'm not sure what someone thinks is a good group, but 4" groups at 15 yards no matter what ammo is used is terrible.

I also bought a 9c at one point. It gave a 3.5" at 15 yards. Again this isn't good.

I've also owned 2 Shield 9s and although 3" groups are okay for some, it's terrible to me. I've owned and shot many small guns in various calibers and they all shoot better than that.

I had a SD9VE and it was far more accurate than all of the M&P 9s I owned. M&P owners tried to give me reasons for the accuracy like it was me getting used to the trigger and explaining how it was different. There's nothing special about it that takes extra time to master. Many people don't like it because it doesn't feel like a staple gun when you pull it like many other triggers on other polymer firearms.

Now for the good. I currently own 2 FS45s, both bought used. These things are tack drivers with any 230gr. ammo (only weight of 45acp I use) I put through them. I put Apex sears in both like I did all of the other M&Ps, added lanyard take down tools and installed updated slide locks that give the trigger an audible reset. One of them is my bedside gun with a TRL-1 attached. I will only buy M&Ps in 45acp from now on.

I'm not making any claims about the M&P series, or saying they're all crap. I'm just sharing MY experience and observation with them. Interpret it however you like.

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Hammer059,

I think people are quoting you because your experience with the M&P was watching someone else shoot it and get a malfunction that sounds like poor ammo or badly reloaded ammo. Then you say that because you saw that, you'll never buy an M&P. If I judged every gun by seeing, hearing or watching a video with a similar situation I would not own any guns at all since someone somewhere would of had a malfunction like that without any details on why it happened.

There are only 2 handguns I prefer in .45 ACP one is a COLT 1911 and the other is an FNH. As far as the M&P in .45 goes I think its a good gun and as said before the Glock boys hate any koolaid other than their own.

Had one and promptly sold it after the first range session------while there was nothing wrong with it--there was also something not "right" about it----cant really put my finger on it but it was enough for me to get rid of the gun and I've never looked at another one since.

Make sense?

I'm an admitted Glock fanboy and have dumped my M & P 45's for Glocks. But I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the M & P 45, it's a good gun. It has a few quirks that got on my nerves, but nothing that interferred with it's accuracy or reliabilty and kept it from being a competitive choice in that caliber. And the M & P 40 is at least the equal if not superior to the Glock 22-23. Smith designed the gun around that carthridge and they nailed it.

OTOH, I agree with a few of the hesitations about the M & P full size 9, it has gone thru three barrel upgrades and I'm not sure they've fixed it yet. There are little workmanship issues I don't like about the whole M & P series, but nothing that disqualifies them from consideration as an excellent SD gun.

While I own a 1911, I have shot both the M&P 45 and M&P 45Compact, and liked them both. If I didn't already have a PT145 for a carry gun, I'd seriously consider the M&P 45Compact.