Sig 225 Re-release

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WALT,

The big advantage of the 225 is the grip circumference. At least in my opinion. I take my 225 to the range as often or possibly more often than any other 9m.m. and it is my favorite range gun.

The combination of weight and grip size keep recoil down, so control is very good. The squarer grips of the double stack pistols do not fit my hand as well, even though I have carried them on duty for over 20 years.

I would be perfectly happy if issued a 225 in 9m.m. I found the trigger on mine to be the smoothest of any SIG, but that is probably just the look of the draw. Accuracy is excellent, reliability is again excellent. The weight works against it for a concealed carry, but no more than the weight of a 228/9 and they are quite popular.

My wife was able to shoot the 225, when no other 9m.m. would fit her hand.

I will be the first to admit, that I would carry a GLOCK 19, SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD9 Sub Compact or WALTHER P99 before the P225, but it would not bother me if that is what I had to choose.

Jim
 
I bought a NIB for $799 about 2 years ago from an old gun shop that just had it in the corner of his shop. It is the best single stack gun I have and the trigger in DA and SA is just plain sweet. I also have an older 2nd P225 that is police trade in that I bought many years ago. I think this is a good move by SIG as I like it much better than the P239 and believe it should sell. SIGS are my favorite pistols and the P225 is my night stand gun.
 
The combination of weight and grip size keep recoil down, so control is very good. The squarer grips of the double stack pistols do not fit my hand as well, even though I have carried them on duty for over 20 years.

I understand... AND, you've already got one, so there's no reason to look at a new one.

The P239, it seems to me, addresses the same issues or need and has almost the same dimensions... I think the P239 is just a bit smaller and a bit lighter.

I can't see why someone would want to buy a NEW P225 if a P239 was available, unless there was a significant price difference with the P225 being lower -- particularly since there are new versions of the P239 that are quite nice. (You said you'd carry a Glock 19, XD9 or Walther P99 before the P225... I think that sort of rationale would inform a lot of buying decisions, too.)
 
To me the P225 is a much better balanced gun than the P239 , which feels a little too top heavy. Also the 225 has a much better grip for my hands and much prefer it to the P239. I suspect based on many comments about the two that my sentiments are shared by others as well.
 
I understand... AND, you've already got one, so there's no reason to look at a new one.

The P239, it seems to me, addresses the same issues or need and has almost the same dimensions... I think the P239 is just a bit smaller and a bit lighter.

I can't see why someone would want to buy a NEW P225 if a P239 was available, unless there was a significant price difference with the P225 being lower -- particularly since there are new versions of the P239 that are quite nice. (You said you'd carry a Glock 19, XD9 or Walther P99 before the P225... I think that sort of rationale would inform a lot of buying decisions, too.)

The P225 feels more like a P220 in the hand. It has more of the characteristics of a classic P series. The P239 feels like a like a more top heavy S&W 3913/3914. There is just something about the profile of the frame and slide that make the P225 more Siglike. IMHO classic Sig shooters like them because they feel right. To me the P238 never felt like a Sig.

I love my P225 but I personally do not see a lot of pent up demand for this pistol. Thousands of them came into the country as surplus guns about 5 years ago. If you want one you can find one easily. I still see them for sub $450 prices pretty often. I don't see the P6s, the surplus contract version of the P225, for the $300 price tag you once could get them at but they are still available at a relatively low price for a quality firearm.

I can't see Sig moving a tone of these but then again I thought a striker fired Sig wouldn't sell either. LOL
 
SIG has marketing experts in the field of firearms and are not going to produce a product unless they have good reason and evidence that it will sell . I heard years ago when people bad mouthed SIG for producing the polymer frame SP 2022 and it has been one of their best sellers and real bargain gun as well. I have 2 SIG P225s and would not sell or trade them. The only other single stack that I have that is better is my H&K P7 , and that is a horse of a different color.
 
Snooperman said:
SIG has marketing experts in the field of firearms and are not going to produce a product unless they have good reason and evidence that it will sell .

Like the P-245? That model may soon achieve collectible status! You know: few made/rare/no longer in production, and not many available...

SIG may have done its homework on the P-225, but they are NOT infallible.

The obvious dislike of the P239 voiced by several here may be the BEST reason for re-introducing the P-225. (I've had two P-239 -- I thought the grip was too small, added thicker grips, then decided that capacity was a negative.)
 
The single stack 45 ACP does not even come close to the sales of single stack 9mm pistols today for many obvious reasons to say the least.
 
The single stack 45 ACP does not even come close to the sales of single stack 9mm pistols today for many obvious reasons to say the least.

Yes but the single stacks of today also don't bear much resemblance to the P225. Most of them are tiny. The P225 is comparatively about the same size (and weight) as a double-stack gun.

Yes, SIG has a marketing department, but plenty of companies have made blunders before. Heck entire companies go out of business with professionals advising them of this and that the whole way down (not that I think SIG is in any trouble of something THAT dire).
 
I agree , and I can buy into that kind of reasoning as my SIG P228 is about the size of my P225 . That said , the buying public for pistols is much broader than ever before and has an affinity for a variety of guns regardless of those reasons as well. We shall see how this plays out in the marketplace where it really counts... Snoop
 
I have two

WALT,

I was not looking to buy the SIG 225, but a company here in the TAMPA area had a selection of P-6 (the GERMAN police issue guns) pistols and the price was very good. When I handled it, I really liked the P-6.

When I came across a used, but in very good condition 225, I did not hesitate to buy it. The 225 has a smoother trigger and feeds anything, while the P-6 is very picky.

I cannot comment on the SIG 239 because I have never shot one. While it is slightly smaller than the 225, the grip looks different and the grip on the P-6/225 is the thing that I like the most on the 225.
I used to own a S&W 439 because I liked the slim grip which felt good in my hand, but after comparing it with the 225, I got rid of it.


I would choose the GLOCK 19, SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD9 and WALTHER P99 primarily because of the weight. The older I get, the lighter I want my pistol, within reason. I have found all the above to be completely controllable. The GLOCK 26 and WALTHER P99 Compact are just too light for me. I have shot both and want neither.
The extra weight of the XD Sub Compact added to a short magazine with a PEARCE extension gives me the balance and handling that the GLOCK 26 did not. Again, this is personal preference and my brother swears by a GLOCK 26.

Like I said, it is all a matter of balance. I frequently pull my 225 out of the gun safe too use as a house gun and I would not have any hesitation about carrying it. I just want less weight.

I agree that the SIG 225 may have a limited market, but so be it. Also, with many older and smaller shooters buying, it may be just right for a lot of them.


Jim
 
SIG has marketing experts in the field of firearms and are not going to produce a product unless they have good reason and evidence that it will sell . I heard years ago when people bad mouthed SIG for producing the polymer frame SP 2022 and it has been one of their best sellers and real bargain gun as well. I have 2 SIG P225s and would not sell or trade them. The only other single stack that I have that is better is my H&K P7 , and that is a horse of a different color.

You are wrong on your Sig history here. People did not bad mouth the SP2022 they bad mouthed the SP2009 & the SP2340. They did not sell well. They were a complete failure. They were eventually liquidated at sub $300 prices.

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The SP2022 was developed from the SP2009 & SP2340 for the French. It was put into service in 2002 and will stay in service for 20 years which is why it is the Sig Pro 2022.

The contract overruns hit the shores of the US with night sights and 3 mags for under $450. IIRC some sold as low as $400. Once they sold all of the overruns Sig moved the production to Exter made some changes to take advantage of economy of scale and now you have the current version of the SP2022. The Sig Pro line has always been a love it or leave it gun. At around $400 they are a great deal. I love my German Iffalon finished SP2022.

You are giving Sig marketing and R&D way too much credit. :eek:

As for the P245 it was never popular. It never sold well. It has made a come back but honestly its time has passed. I had one which was imported by PW Arms after primary production for the US stopped and it was and good gun but lacked capacity and shoot ability of other 45s so I sold it. Don't regret it one bit.

The other issue in todays world why buy a single stack when you can buy a smaller double stack. Sphinx Subcompact 13+1

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http://www.sphinxarms.com/index.php...compact-alpha-line/subcompact-alpha-9mm-da-sa
 
SIG purists never liked the Polymer frame guns including the P250 , Sp2022 and P320 , and STILL DON"T, regardless of whether you or others like them. If they are not all-metal they think SIG suffers. That element is out there and it is real.
 
"Why buy a single stack when you can buy a double stack"?? REALLY... Have you ever heard of "CONCEAL CARRY" ? Single stack 9mm pistols are the hottest selling 9mm guns in this market. My 2 cents,,,Snoop
 
The question isn't why a single stack and not a double. With regard to the p225 its why a single stack the size of a double stack. The hot selling single stacks are MUCH smaller than the p225. I haven't checked specs but I bet they are lighter than the metal framed sig as well.

When you could get a P6 for $250 I totally understood the attraction. A new one with what I'd imagine sig wouldn't want for one. I have a hard time seeing the appeal.
 
SIG purists never liked the Polymer frame guns including the P250 , Sp2022 and P320 , and STILL DON"T, regardless of whether you or others like them. If they are not all-metal they think SIG suffers. That element is out there and it is real.

Sorry but you are wrong again. The SP2022 has been completely embraced by the Sig faithful because it is a good gun and a great value. The P250 has a cult following but most the Sig faithful were put off by its initial issues.

The P320 is being fully embraced as what the P250 should have been. I am sorry but your statement is wrong. You are wrong. Go over to the Sig forum and look. People like Bruce Gray are leading the charge on quality polymer offerings from Sig and the faithful are following.

:banghead:
 
SIG purists never liked the Polymer frame guns including the P250 , Sp2022 and P320 , and STILL DON"T, regardless of whether you or others like them. If they are not all-metal they think SIG suffers. That element is out there and it is real.
I'm part of that element.
This is true.

I went from a piece of unbelievable garbage Smith & Wesson SW9VE to a Sig P6. And I never looked back. Since then I looked upon plastic guns with scorn and contempt.
 
I also loved the P6. And while I am not in the market for one I will check this out and most likely buy one if it measures up.
 
I am a member of the SIG forum and visit that site daily. Like Thermactor , my oldest brother , a SIG purist, does not like SIG polymer frame guns and are vocal in their disdain for them. I am not wrong. They will scoff at anything that is not made of metal and my brother turns his nose up at my SP2022.
 
The real appeal for SIG bringing back the P225 is simply that the P239 is not as appealing to a large number of the gun buying public. It is not a well balanced pistol as the P225, as it is top heavy and the grip is too small as well. Having both in the marketplace may work out better for SIG .
 
Snooperman said:
The real appeal for SIG bringing back the P225 is simply that the P239 is not as appealing to a large number of the gun buying public. It is not a well balanced pistol as the P225, as it is top heavy and the grip is too small as well. Having both in the marketplace may work out better for SIG.

In an earlier response you said:
SIG has marketing experts in the field of firearms and are not going to produce a product unless they have good reason and evidence that it will sell.​

These are the same marketing experts who are so RIGHT to bring back the SIG P225, but they're also arguably the same folks who introduced the P-245, the P-2340, the P-2009, the P-2022, and the P-239? They are probably the same experts superceded the P-225 with the P226 and P228 and have now given us an apparently very good striker-fired polymer framed SIG in the P320? The P320 is hardly the "traditional" SIG: while it's still double-stack, it isn't hammer-fired or steel framed. (I'm looking forward to trying one... I suspect I'll like it better than my Glocks.) I also wonder what will happen after a Bruce Gray - tuned P320 starts to find its way into some of the competition venues?

As someone who spent a few years in marketing and product development, which involves working closely with marketing research folks, I can tell you that divining what the public wants, nowadays, is often (but not always) little more than a modern-day version of what the ancient sages did when they examined chicken entrails or pondered over the dregs of a tea cup. Some successes are more intuition than the result of a scientific evaluation or proper analysis... And many failures come about using the same techniques and tools that led to successes in the past.

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Walt ,I understand your rational and cannot completely disagree with it , but that in itself does not preclude that the P225 will not sell in this new market either. The market changes and it is much broader than ever before and you do not know for certain that it will be a failure anymore than I do that it will be a success. Bringing back an older design pistol may turn out better than before. We will have to wait and see. Snoop
 
Snoooperman said:
Bringing back an older design pistol may turn out better than before.

Well... they sell a lot of 70 series 1911s... so older isn't always a negative.

I'm not sure that the updated P225 won't sell, but I'll be interested in seeing how they price the new gun. I'll bet it won't be a loss leader (i.e., much less costly than other models).
 
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