Picked up a CZ P-09

Congratulations on your new CZ. I've thought about getting the P09, but I have too many guns as it is.

As to the decocker - based on my (very) limited experience, it seems not all CZ decockers are created equal. The decocker on my CZ 40P is a thing of beauty...very smooth and easy to operate, yet solid in it's different positions. My CZ 75 BD Police, on the other hand, is noticeably stiffer to operate, though it appears to be of the same design. Not as pleasant to use. Best wishes.

Try looking at the website for Cajun Gun Works and checking out some of the parts they suggest for improving the P series of CZ triggers - they make great gear and it's fairly priced.

I have a P09 in FDE. It is a great pistol. After careful polishing of all internal trigger components my DA is 6.75lb amd SA is right under 3 lbs.

My wife also has a P07 and I really like the way that it fits in the hand. The P09 does feel quite long, but for a combat/home defense/competition pistol it is a good size.

I was going to go crazy on CGW or CZC parts, but it really didn't need anything but some polishing to work well.

I run the safety. I shoot steel with mine and like to run it cocked and locked. With the safety you have the option of cocked and locked, hammer at half cock with the safety on or off, and finally hammer all the way down with the safety being inoperable.

The safety operates with the hammer at half cock on the P-09? All my CZ's have to be fully cocked to operate the safety, but I have no polymer yet.

Yup. Half cock safety is operable.

Congrats on the p-09....I don't think you can find a better hammer fired plastic gun for the money. Accurate, great trigger, uber reliable (mine hasn't failed in over 3000 rounds now) easy on the eyes, and wallet.

I picked up the FDE version, not crazy about the night sights in the day time, but they work I suppose.

I loved mine so much I went out and picked up a 75 also....next up I need a P-01, RAMI, PCR....or just maybe a P-07.

I suppose a P-07 would be the better bet.

I suppose a P-07 would be the better bet.

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Just so happens that is what I just picked up today. The updated version. The P-09 was a little too big for me.

Went out looking at the FNS9c and ended up with the CZ. Go figure. If it shoots half as well as the PCR, I will be happy.

You made a very good choice . I just ordered one after shooting A P-07 belonging to a friend . I like the longer sight radius and for the money it is a quality gun in every way. Have fun shooting your new P-09. Snoop

Tried the P07 after I bought a P01. Didn't care for the feel of it; I couldn't get comfortable with the grip and the trigger was heavy and somewhat gritty. Have yet to find a P09 to see how it handles and when I do I'm hoping it's better than the P07.

I took a P09 off a prize table at a match and have shot it a little bit.

Strange thing about CZ's "low bore axis"...yes the slide is less in show, but it is exactly equal to my PPQ from bottom of frame to top of slide. The PPQ is purported to have a ridiculously high slide. So, I now don't necessarily trust what people say about CZs...

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When people talk about bore axis they are talking about how high the centerline of the bore is above the top of your grip on the frame, not the overall height of the gun. The P09 does have a nice low bore axis. I don't know how it compares to the PPQ.

The double action is extremely stiff. Where most triggers "work in" to a more refined and possible lower weight after use, this gun had better. It is one of the harder DAs I've had.

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I disagree, but this is very fixable. If I was going to shoot it a lot, or in competition I'd lighten it up some, but I still think it is as good or better than anything else out there.

Single action is very nice. Reset is...longish. P30 longish.

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Single reset is long, agreed there... this is very fixable. For a totally stock plastic gun, still very good IMO.

Decocker is okay. I am not used to the "switch" like lever. Haven't switched out to the safety lever and probably never will.

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If you ever want to swap, it is pretty easy, find directions on Youtube... I swapped just because my grip is high enough to get up on the decocker lever and irritate my weak hand; the safety lever is a lot flatter and doesn't cause this problem for me.

The grip is extremely thin for 19 rounds. VERY THIN. However, it is weirdly long from front to back even with the small back strap.

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I also like fatter grips and wish the P09 was a little fatter. I could get used to it, but it is definitely thinner than the guns I actually shoot a lot. Thin grips are all the rage these days, so I guess they were just catering to current market trends.

Removing the backstrap requires removing a cap on the DA trigger spring. The manual says to have professional gunsmith replace backstraps. While not necessary, I can see the warning-the cap and spring went flying off. A truly weird design. The instructions do not show how to remove the back strap. I agree you will likely only do this once, but this is the worst. design. backstrap. system...ever.

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You are going to take it out once, figure out what backstrap you want, and never mess with it again... No big deal, and no more of a pain than changing it on, say, an M&P.

Someone mentioned the trigger is better than the PPQ. I disagree. The poundage suggest the P09 should win, but the patented Walther trigger (https://lanzerbot.wordpress.com/2015...s-vp9-trigger/) is lighter in feel, by a fair bit. Both are smooth.

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For a couple hundred bucks, CGW will tune the trigger to be as nice as you want.

Mine is also stupid accurate, or at least I am able to shoot much tighter groups with it than I ever did with Glocks or M&Ps.

Overall I think it is an amazing package for $450 bucks. I would certainly pay more for one than I would a Glock or M&P.

I don't want to hijack the thread but it seem lot of guys know there CZ pistols
I like to ask how are the CZ USA Made 85 Combat in stainless run ?
I shot one yesterday a guy wants to sell the pistol shot excellent trigger better then I thought.
What is a decent price on a used one?
I am not much on CZ Hand guns

I didn't know that they made an 85 in stainless. I think that the 75 in stainless has ambi controls, which would resemble an 85. But, you never know with CZ.

CZ USA does not make guns, they only import them. All CZ's are made by CZ overseas.

Is it matte stainless or a shiny stainless? Did you look on GunBroker for price ideas? Sometime they are close, sometimes not. 5-600 would be a good place to start.

The 85c came in Nickel. I foolishly let mine go. They no longer make the 85 combat in nickel. I would pay $500-$650 for one.

I picked up a transitional model of the P-07 last week. Longer barrel, night sights, updated hammer, but still has old trigger and slide. Took it to the range saturday and was really impressed how well I shot this pistol.

I like my P07 a lot. I remember trying one at the store and the trigger was really gritty, but the one I bought is really nice. Not the best I've ever felt but definitely above average. I agree with your assessment of the grip, I like the shape and angle but despite it being thin, it still has a trigger reach on the long side, and honestly its almost too thin for my big hands but still too hard for my girlfriend to reach the trigger easily.
I recently shot it side by side with the G19 and I think I was spoiled by my CZ's high grip ergos because the glock slide kept biting my hand. However I will admit that the gen 4 glock seemed to have a softer recoil and a better than expected trigger.

I just shot my new P-09 today and I can shoot it better than my Sphinx SDP. Are there any videos that show how to install the CGW trigger kit? I have not found any. Snoop

no need for a cz but thinking really hard about one.

There are so many CZs I just can't choose.
collecting. My issue is i want to carry it and health issues make a heavy . I now pack a CS9 S&W. Maybe after chemo and gain some muscle back it won't be an issue. Pants falling off now and leather
hole punch handy for belts. 40" down to 34" now and 135 LB to 161LB.

Anyhow I am looking hard at the compact.
Maybe polymer.
I want for sure the manual safety since I like condition 1 in my 1911. The hard DA some report is no issue since DA is a close up -7 yard issue, not a 25 yard one.


Can the polymer de-cocker be changed to a safety?


Found out about safety, link below .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUpzl2lpaYs

Now thinking harder.
WHERE is the money now? A sale from my end is looking possible but what is the question.
Nothing is simple.

I like my CS9 but options are always good as well as investments.

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Anyhow I am looking hard at the compact.
Maybe polymer.
I want for sure the manual safety since I like condition 1 in my 1911. The hard DA some report is no issue since DA is a close up -7 yard issue, not a 25 yard one.

Can the polymer de-cocker be changed to a safety?

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The new P-07 (don't know about the first generation, but think they are the same) can be changed from safety to decocker and vice-versa by the user.

They are also relatively light guns, but have surprisingly light recoil. I recently picked up a USED first generation P-07, and it didn't come with anything but an extra mag (no box, no manuals, no extra parts, etc. -- and I simply love it. I've had a lot of CZs over the years, and I really like this gun's trigger; I don't know how much of this good trigger is "factory" and how much is due to a lot of use by a prior owner.

In any event, I'm satisfied.

Love mine, running it with the safety. Ate aluminum cased total nylon jacket and Wolf steel no problem. Was hitting half silhouette steel target at 35 yards no problem. Just wish the magazines were a little cheaper, but oh well.

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Unemployedshooter said:

... Just wish the magazines were a little cheaper, but oh well.

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Full-size CZ mags will work fine in the P-07 (but they hang out a bit); I don't whether they'll work in the P-09.

I suspect the CZ compact mags will work in the P-07, too. (I have an old compact mag here, somewhere, but can't find it!!)

Take your gun to a gun shop that has a variety of mags (i.e., CZ mags), and see if those mags click and hold when inserted.

The P07/P09 mags don't work in the standard CZs, -- as the mags are a bit thicker (wider).

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I don't want to hijack the thread but it seem lot of guys know there CZ pistols
I like to ask how are the CZ USA Made 85 Combat in stainless run ?
I shot one yesterday a guy wants to sell the pistol shot excellent trigger better then I thought.
What is a decent price on a used one?
I am not much on CZ Hand guns

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I don't think there has been an 85 Combat in stainless but CZ makes small runs of special guns from time to time so it's possible that there might be a few out there somewhere. If you in fact have a line on one it might be worth some money due to rarity.

They're all made in the Czech Republic. Good (best?) price on a new 75 B SS is about $650. On a 75 B black polycoat, about $499. 85 Combat about $575. All of the above would probably be plus shipping, transfer, and sales tax if applicable. LGS are likely to charge more than above as will many online sellers but those are typical good (very good) prices. They are outstanding values, IMO.

I have an 85 Combat and a 75B stainless. Both shoot very well, eat anything I can find to stuff in them. The 85 Combat has the reputation of a slightly better trigger out of the box due mainly I believe to the absence of the firing pin block found on the B guns, and I found this to be the case with my two. I like both triggers just fine but the Combat is better. I also have a Kadet kit (22 LR conversion) which works on either gun.

I don't have many 9mm guns but the 85 Combat is probably my favorite to shoot, beating out the 75B due to the slightly better trigger and the adjustable sights (if I want to adjust for the ammo I'm shooting), the MkIII Hi Power (I like this gun a lot too), and 92SB.

The ONLY difference between the CZ-85B and the CZ-75B is the addition of ambidextrous countrols.

The 85 Combat is essentially an 85B with a few minor changes:

• No firing pin block.
• A trigger adjustable for overtravel.
• An extended mag release.
• A straight mag brake (allowing drop-free mags)
• An Adjustable sight. (Required to meet US import requirement, with the removal of the firing pin block.)

The absence of the firing pin block can simplify action work, with a few less "connections" required -- but the triggers aren't innately better than any other CZ-75 (based) design. You were probably shooting an well-broken-in CZ. They can be nice. It is, in essence, a pre-B CZ-75 ("pre-B" meaning "before the 'B' model, which means firing pin block.)

Properly tuned, other CZ (including the 85 Combat) can approach a 1911 for trigger refinement; close, but no cigar. For most of us, that "close" is very acceptable. (I've had a well-tuned 75B Single Action model that was quite nice -- and some of the guns from the CZ Custom Shop or Cajun Gun Works apparently match 1911s...)

To the best of my knowledge, there have been no stainless 85 Combats, but there are satin nickel versions -- which might be confused with stainless. See the photo, below. I can tell you from personal experience that the satin nickel finish is less trouble to maintain than a high-gloss stainless finish (at least with other guns.)

Here's a picture of mine -- after taking it, I noticed a scuff on the frame (wiped off) and crud in the slide serrations. I need to update the picture -- that is not rust!:



Note: the frames of the stainless models are different, with extended beavertails and reversible mag releases. I don't think CZ runs variants of the 85 Combat in stainless steel -- as it would be a substantial change in practices. (While CZ has made a lot of "one-of" guns over the years, or small production lots of "different" models, I've never seen or heard of that being done with stainless guns.)

I'll bet the owner of the gun discussed above didn't call it a "Stainless" model -- but the shooter just assumed it was, based on it's appearance.

The Satin Nickel versions are somewhat rare, and add anywhere from $100-$150+ price premium, if you can find one. A dealer might be able to order a NEW one for you.

I picked up a transitional model of the P-07 last week. Longer barrel, night sights, updated hammer, but still has old trigger and slide. Took it to the range saturday and was really impressed how well I shot this pistol.

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That sounds like one of the extra guns from the Egypt governmental contract that got to the civilian market.

On another note: I don't plan to buy it in any immediate future, but once the day comes I think I'll have trouble deciding between Scorpion EVO 3 and P09 with PDW conversion. Does anyone have the conversion, or better yet both conversion and Scorpion? What is your take on this? Are the conversions sold in US?