Opinions of those with hands on experience of Tavor bullpup
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C-grunt
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Not a lot of experience with one but they do feel good on the shoulder. If I was buying a non AR 5.56/223 rifle the Tavor would be on the short list.
What hex said.
The Tavor is way more popular than it has any right to be considering the minimal improvements over the AUG which has been around a lot longer.
That being said, the Tavor is a nice rifle in its own right with well thought out controls and manual of arms, and is a pleasure to shoot. I think you should give it a shot.
The Tavor is way more popular than it has any right to be considering the minimal improvements over the AUG which has been around a lot longer.
That being said, the Tavor is a nice rifle in its own right with well thought out controls and manual of arms, and is a pleasure to shoot. I think you should give it a shot.
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I've shot a friend's Tavor and it's a well made, well thought out rifle.
Personally I prefer the AUG, but that's mostly aesthetics.
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Personally I prefer the AUG, but that's mostly aesthetics.
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Welding Rod
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I like my Tavor, now the Eotech I would pitch. If it is a 512, it will also sit a little too low on the Tavor without a riser.
Now I would take a good AR over the Tavor if I had to choose, but if the AR was out of the question, I could be quite happy with a Tavor. May post a little more later, got to work now.
Now I would take a good AR over the Tavor if I had to choose, but if the AR was out of the question, I could be quite happy with a Tavor. May post a little more later, got to work now.
elwoodm
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my tavor has a eotech 516 on it and is a great fit on the rifle and cheek placement. have put over 700 rnds with no ftf or fte. wish i could say that for my ar. the 18 inch 1 in 7 twist barrel lets me work with heavy bullets that my ar with 1 in 9 twist does not like. just tested this gun at 200 yrds shooting at clays with the eotech and had no problems hitting them with no magnification.
this is the only rifle i have that can hit something at 25 yrds and 200 yrds with no adjustment to the optics. i would not sell my tavor just like it too much.
this is the only rifle i have that can hit something at 25 yrds and 200 yrds with no adjustment to the optics. i would not sell my tavor just like it too much.Attachments
I did end up getting it, found the Eotech on it is a model 516. I was happy as I'm a big EO fan with two 512's that I use on my 10/22's and love to pieces and the 516 has seller reviews and appears to be the Mac Daddy EO. I've already got my Surefire X300U mounted on the side rail and just need to get some more mags and a sling to have it fully ready to go. A whole bunch of money even with the great deal, but it is a seriously impressive weapon especially as I'm getting it set up. Can't wait to try it in live fire this weekend.
DougW
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Manny, we need the AAR. How did the shooting session go?
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The Tavor is to the AUG as the Zastava CZ99 is to the Sig P226.
misterarman
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Tried the riser with the eotech 512 and did not like it. Took a little getting used to but now use it without and works great.
don't know if I would take one over an ar but it has it's place. Almost same length as an ar pistol but 16 inch barrel.
awesome weapon. Can't compare to an Aug but takes AR mags as does new Gen Aug..
can easily shoot 1 handed. Has a shorter stance than a 2 handed pistol stance but I guess that would be any bull pup.
Controls with a little practice are very efficient.
Easy easy to field strip for easy cleaning.
Trigger a little heavy but seemed pretty easy to get used to.
I would do it all over again if I had to.
don't know if I would take one over an ar but it has it's place. Almost same length as an ar pistol but 16 inch barrel.
awesome weapon. Can't compare to an Aug but takes AR mags as does new Gen Aug..
can easily shoot 1 handed. Has a shorter stance than a 2 handed pistol stance but I guess that would be any bull pup.
Controls with a little practice are very efficient.
Easy easy to field strip for easy cleaning.
Trigger a little heavy but seemed pretty easy to get used to.
I would do it all over again if I had to.
Just to clarify, the A3 AUGs (both the SA and M1 variations) have a version that uses AR mags, but you lose the bolt release. The "standard" versions still use the proprietary Steyr 30 and 42 round waffle mags, which are virtually indestructible, and have the bolt release.
Cal-gun Fan
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Huh? Those two comparisons don't really make sense.
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The Tavor is a plagiarized clone of the AUG with lower quality.
The Zastava CZ99 is a plagiarized clone of the Sig Sauer P226 with lower quality.
What's so hard for you to understand?
briansmithwins
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No, it is not.
Both are air cooled, repeating rifles that have a bullpup configuration.
The AUG uses a Johnson/Stoner type bolt, a short stroke piston with the port near the muzzle, twin op rods that contain the recoil springs, and a bolt sleeve to prevent rotation of the bolt during feeding.
The Tavor uses a three lugged bolt, a long stroke piston with the tap nearer the chamber, a single captive recoil spring, and a rod that guides the bolt and prevents premature rotation of the bolt during feeding.
If the Tavor rips off anything, it's the Kalashnikov. But hey, steal from the best.
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wally
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And precedence with the Galil
Cal-gun Fan
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Yeah I figured that's what you thought, didn't want to be rude originally. But yeah-the Tavor/Aug have very different characteristics-short stroke vs long stroke, johnson vs ak-lug-style bolt, etc. Having handled the Aug and shot the Tavor, I definitely liked the Tavor better-my personal experience.
krinko
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I had an AUG and shot a couple thousand rounds out of it. My particular rifle had a gas system that got very dirty, very quickly and this meant either a strip-and-clean, or changing to the Big Hole on the gas regulator.
Scraping petrified fouling off the piston and trying to clean the spring got to be one of my least favorite pastimes.
The Tavor, on the other hand, is much more tolerant of filth, which makes her my kind of girl.
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Scraping petrified fouling off the piston and trying to clean the spring got to be one of my least favorite pastimes.
The Tavor, on the other hand, is much more tolerant of filth, which makes her my kind of girl.
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Jackal
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The Tavor is the best $900 rifle you can buy for $1600.
Cal-gun Fan
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You could say that about most of the tactical carbines for sale today. That price range just seems like what the market can demand and sell right now.
Rick R
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Wow! a twenty plus posts and no one complained about the heavy trigger! That's normally the first thing when someone wants to disparage the Tavor, not "your mamma's ugly" or "it's inferior to the AUG" type unsubstantiated insults.
I've had one for over a year. It has never jammed except when intentionally induced during a carbine class. Those jams were easy to clear. You can fire a right handed Tavor left handed without a trip to the dentist afterwards. I can hit a steel IPSC sized silhouette out to 300 yards easily. My wife hit 8" steel targets off hand at 50 yards the first time she shot it with boring regularity. I and my coworkers have hit 1/2 sized IPSC steel targets at 50 yards one handing the little rifle like a pistol.
It's way better thought out than any bullpup I've handled or shot. The controls become second nature with very few reps at hitting them. I'm quicker with it than the AR15 rifles I've used for 35 years.
The only things that would make the little gun better would be a way to cant the cocking handle upwards like an MP5 to administratively lock the bolt to the rear and a folding cocking handle to avoid knocking the bolt out of battery if it should happen to hit a solid object while the operator is moving past.
I've had one for over a year. It has never jammed except when intentionally induced during a carbine class. Those jams were easy to clear. You can fire a right handed Tavor left handed without a trip to the dentist afterwards. I can hit a steel IPSC sized silhouette out to 300 yards easily. My wife hit 8" steel targets off hand at 50 yards the first time she shot it with boring regularity. I and my coworkers have hit 1/2 sized IPSC steel targets at 50 yards one handing the little rifle like a pistol.
It's way better thought out than any bullpup I've handled or shot. The controls become second nature with very few reps at hitting them. I'm quicker with it than the AR15 rifles I've used for 35 years.
The only things that would make the little gun better would be a way to cant the cocking handle upwards like an MP5 to administratively lock the bolt to the rear and a folding cocking handle to avoid knocking the bolt out of battery if it should happen to hit a solid object while the operator is moving past.
Cal-gun Fan
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Any aftermarket solutions to that last one? Seems like a folding charging handle would be an easy mod to make.
briansmithwins
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You could, but by making the charging handle folding, you're increasing the parts count and chances for failure.
The charging handle already has a pivot in it, which is used to increase the leverage available when you're first breaking the bolt open.
Amusingly, there are fixed charging handles available for the Steyr AUG, which ships with a folding charging handle. That has screwed me once in a match, as I let the charging handle touch the barricade I was shooting around, which locked it onto the operating rod (forward assist position) and caused a stoppage.
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Rick R
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LoL! The carbine class I attended had two Tavorist and we both managed to hit the side of a firing port where that linkage moved the bolt out of battery. "click!" instead of "Bang!" It's bad tactics to stick that much rifle thru an opening so lesson learned.
The guys on the Bullpup Forum have been harassing the vendors for a folding handle. The linkage may make it difficult proposition.
The guys on the Bullpup Forum have been harassing the vendors for a folding handle. The linkage may make it difficult proposition.
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