In CS Monitor - How FBI's Dylann Roof gun snafu hurts Obama's gun control agenda

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Good to see an article pointing out a NICS error and not "lax gun laws" outed as the failure in the Charleston shooting and President Obama's jump to blade us instead of their own system focused on.
After the killing of nine churchgoers in Charleston, S.C., President Obama urged a ‘greater sense of urgency’ on gun control. But an FBI mistake – not weak laws – allowed alleged shooter Dylann Roof to buy a gun.

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According to Mr. Comey, a senior examiner started working on Roof’s application on April 13, digging into the details of a drug arrest from earlier this year, which had the potential for disqualifying the application. But, being unfamiliar with South Carolina geography, she contacted the wrong law enforcement jurisdiction, which said it had no details on the arrest. A federal law allows the FBI three days to do a background check before either approving it or giving gun stores the discretion to sell the gun anyway.

By the end of that week, Roof had his murder weapon in hand.

For some commentators, the question now is whether a new focus on background checks and the FBI’s admission that it flubbed Roof’s application will affect public opinion over gun controls

http://news.yahoo.com/fbis-dylann-roof-gun-snafu-hurts-obamas-gun-170916362.html
 
I see it going the other way. In the future I prognosticate that NICS checks will have a whole heaping helping worth of "DENY" going forward, and we can see the NICS "delay" turn into an automatic "DENY" with the promise of a phony appeal process for those who think they were wrongfully denied.
 
You don't understand the NICS process.

A delay expires and allows the shop to issue a firearm.

Denial is based on finding a prohibition, not on making one up.
 
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You don't understand the NICS process.

A delay expires and allows the shot to issue a firearm.

Denial is based on finding a prohibition, not on making one up.
I know exactly how it works.
I'm saying that the NICS process will be amended. And the grounds for finding a prohibition will be expanded, so that a question mark case like Dylan Storm Drain's would be denied next time in order to protect the children or something.
 
The prohibitions are part of the law and new legislation would be required to add to them. That would require a change that this Congress isn't going to allow.

Since Roof's purchase would have been prohibited under the current law and the failure has been admitted by the FBI, then getting support for new legislation for an unrelated set of prohibitions is highly unlikely.
 
That's code for "executive order", but EOs don't make new legislation.

What it could do is temporarily expand the time allowed for a delay to stand while a "study" was under way to determine how many such delay errors take place, but that wouldn't last very long.
 
I appreciate your optimistic outlook; let's hope that this will just quietly die down without any awful new rules or "studies"
 
I could see an attempt to standardize the way law enforcement agencies enter arrest information into the database. Similar to efforts made after the Virginia Tech shooting to standardize mental health records.
 
That's code for "executive order", but EOs don't make new legislation.

What it could do is temporarily expand the time allowed for a delay to stand while a "study" was under way to determine how many such delay errors take place, but that wouldn't last very long.

With 6 executive branch "regulations" put in place to every 1 new law passed last year their is no telling what kind of work around they may be able come up with. What we currently have is 3 legislative branches, they just all have different means of legislating.

Their are only two real options, number one and most likely, absolutely nothing will happen. The other they will do something that will negatively impact legal access to guns.
 
The President does NOT have the power of a Roman Emperor, despite the adulation of his party and fans to delegate it to him.

The myth of executive order extending to restrict our rights is just that. I see it being talked about a lot in alarmist circles - rather than jawboning elected representatives to prevent bad laws in the first place.

The President's own supporters can't get him to just "EO" GTMO out of existence - how is he going to gut the 2A and confiscate our guns in a door to door search? No, nobody said that - any more than nobody said he could simply write an EO banning guns.

What he did do was get his two cents in first blaming guns rather than admit the truth that HE was responsible as Chief Executive Officer over the FBI. Frankly, had he done so, it would make it a lot more palatable to then institute more restrictions and press for exactly what some fear. But he wasted the opportunity - Emmanuel Rahm's not on staff - and just made a weak political comment.

He wasted a perfectly good "crisis" and didn't have a new piece of legislation to introduce to Congress to extend the three day sunset on a hold. And that does add to the impression of being a lame duck president. It could be said that his staffers declined to waste the political capital in a defeat, sure. It could also be said he missed an opportunity to make the gun lobby look even more like they don't care about the tragic deaths of a church shooter and play the race card for all it's worth.

It's not his reelection, but his party would like to stay in office, and continue their agenda. If anything there hasn't been nearly the backlash over this shooting as others - do kids in schools rank higher in public concern than Christian worshippers in a church? Apparently so - it's a conflicted issue for a lot of liberals who don't attend and who's religion is politics.

Rather than worry overmuch that the President is going to write our Rights away with the stroke of a pen - which even Clinton couldn't do without Congress throwing us under the bus - we need to adopt a better attitude.

"It's not gonna happen." Which is polite code language we can say in public, but which really means "From my cold dead hands."

Don't be the 10% who registered their rifles under the NY SAFE act. Be the 90% who understand what an "inalienable" right is, so to speak.

Molon Labe. Come and take them.
 
Won't be the first time the background check process failed.

Back in 1989, a psycho named Patrick Purdy shot up a schoolyard in Stockton, murdering a bunch of kids. He used " . . . a semi-automatic AK47 assault rifle . . . " setting off the modern cycle of gun control.

He had a criminal record as long as your arm, and yet LAPD's background check process allowed him to purchase the weapon after the waiting period was completed. Even worse, Purdy was getting a monthly check from SSA for "mental disability" . . . what ever happened to "being adjudicated mentally defective" being a disqualifier? (BTW, the SSA check arguably means that the Feds funded his gun purchase.) AFAIK, there were no negative consequences for the bureaucrats who screwed up.

Of course, when the system helps arm bad guys, the "solution" is to put more restrictions on everyone else . . . :mad:
 
Roof didn’t need to go to a dealership. According to his uncle, Roof received a .45-caliber pistol from his father in April for his birthday, Reuters reports.

Carson Cowles told Reuters and the New York Daily News that his nephew, Dylann Storm Roof, got a .45-caliber pistol from his father for his 21st birthday in April.

a simple search above, ^^ showed the butthead did NOT buy any gun, his Dad gave it to him, so there was no break down unless Dad had a felony on record. OK ? :neener:
 
Roof didn’t need to go to a dealership. According to his uncle, Roof received a .45-caliber pistol from his father in April for his birthday, Reuters reports.

Carson Cowles told Reuters and the New York Daily News that his nephew, Dylann Storm Roof, got a .45-caliber pistol from his father for his 21st birthday in April.

a simple search above, ^^ showed the butthead did NOT buy any gun, his Dad gave it to him, so there was no break down unless Dad had a felony on record. OK ? :neener:
The misinfo published by the idiot media is astounding. They rush to publish rumors while masquerading as being the news.
What you're talking about is what they originally thought. now there's a NICS narrative that he went and bought the gun with his Bar Mitzvah money or something like that.
 
EO was mentioned. In a declared national emergency, there is already an existing EO that authorizes the seizure of virtually anything including firearms, gold, silver, flour, sugar, cotton from your underwear or socks, soap, gas in your vehicle and your vehicle, etc. Peter Schiff brought it to my attention years ago in one of his videos. This link isn't to Schiff, but it covers it. http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/executive-doomsday-order-obama-authorizes-gov-to-seize-farms-food-processing-plants-energy-resources-transportation-skilled-laborers-during-national-emergency_03182012
 
Declared National Emergency like Martial Law? So glad we still have a Constitutional Government. Wait, there's that latest Supreme Court ruling thing...

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One of the issues being skirted is the "plate of spaghetti" that are political boundaries around here. Being one of the 13 colonies means that many, many of the boundaries were originally based on farm fields and natural obstacles (rivers).

Lexington county, Richland county and the cities of Columbia and Irmo all intertwine. The local mall is 60% in Richland county and 40% in Lexington county and completely in the city of Columbia, with Irmo adjacent.

Lots of room for errors. :eek:

A year back, a customer who got delayed, was cleared by us at day 15 (store policy), picked up their handgun at about day 20ish. 28 days after the NICS check was started, NICS called back and told us that the customer was denied.

:what:
 
Funny, people used to say, no one's going to try to take/ban your guns, then they tried, hard.
Then they said, you guys are all worried that black helicopters are gonna come down and that's looney talk, and now Jade Helm.. but I'm getting off topic, sorry.

I agree that the fact that it's a NICS error gives the other side less angles to work in this recent event.
 
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