Taurus 24/7 OSS Mishap

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Keep the gun if they fixed the problem.

I own a 24/7 pro 9mm and the decocker works just fine. the gun has absolutely had no FTE's or FTF's and ive fed all kinds of **** ammo through it. For 300 bucks with 4 mags? Can you beat it?
 
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but since this was brought up in another thread, I decided to add to this original thread to clear the air for PT145 with SA/DA trigger - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8176664#post8176664

wally said:
I've got the old original DAO (non-Pro) model ... Be careful, there is a design flaw in the Millennium Pro models Taurus refuses to acknowledge -- if you apply the thumb safety with the trigger not fully forward the gun will fire if the trigger is pulled even though the safety is on!
wally, I just read through the thread and checked my PT145 (yes, I performed all the operations listed in the thread) BUT I think there are some things that need to be clarified for everyone's benefit (This is THR after all and we should be spreading facts and not "internet rumors").

Since my PT145 has SA/DA trigger, I cannot speak for older DAO trigger models.

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To actually test whether the pistol would fire, I made a modified dummy round with a bullet, no powder charge but a live primer.

1. I chambered the modified dummy round from the magazine to repeat the operations listed in the thread. Because the pistol's trigger went to single-action (SA) mode when the slide was racked (Green arrow striker in the slide is held back to be released by lowering of striker release - green arrow on the frame), when the safety was engaged with the trigger partially pulled back, the striker would not release.

2. The only way the striker can be released on my PT145 with the safety on is by partially pulling the trigger in double-action (DA) mode (Red arrow points to trigger part that pulls back on the striker and releases striker). So with an empty chamber, I pulled the trigger to engage the DA mode and partially pulled back on the trigger while applying the safety.

= Drum roll please =

But because the chamber is empty, being able to release the striker with the safety on would not result in a discharge of a bullet. The only way to load a round in the chamber (either hand chambering a round or feeding from the magazine) is to pull back on the slide that would force the SA trigger mode and we are back to situation #1 above. Since the safety also locks the slide, you would have to disengage the safety to pull back on the slide.

3. Another clarification is whether the striker is "actually" able to hit the primer. With #1 and #2, we already established that a round cannot be chambered and fired with the safety on. However, even if that was possible, engaging the safety limits the trigger bar travel that pushes on the striker pin block (at least on my PT145 - see yellow arrows). If the striker pin block is not pushed up in the slide, releasing the striker would only allow it to hit the block and not the primer. ;) So even if there was a round in the chamber (which the PT145 is not designed to do), there would not be a discharge of a bullet.

Now, if your PT145 with SA/DA trigger does something other than what's outlined in #1, #2 and #3, then I highly recommend that you contact Taurus as your pistol is doing something different than my PT145.

In summary, it is of my opinion that my PT145 with SA/DA (multi-strike) trigger does not have any "design flaw" that would allow it to fire a round with the safety engaged.
 
This is not an "internet myth" I just double checked my Taurus PT140PRO.

Do this at the range:

load two rounds in the mag
fire one and hold the trigger back
let the trigger come forward enough to reset (you can feel a "click" if you go slow) but not enough to go fully forward.
flick up the safety with your thumb and remover your finger from the trigger.
without removing the safety now pull the trigger -- bang!

It is possible Taurus has "silently" fixed the issue in new production, but it was on all the PT1XX PRO models I checked a a gun show after I discovered it several years ago.

I discovered it because as a 1911 shooter I reflexively flick the safety on if I don't plan an immediate follow up shot -- I had cleared the plate rack and had rounds left in the mag and God knows how I noticed the trigger was not fully forward when I sat the pistol down.
 
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Of late. Taurus customer service seems to be much better than in previous years. Hope this is a sign for times to come.
 
I haven't figured out any reason to decock a loaded 24/7

The idea is a long DA pull is "safer" than a partially cocked striker on a carry pistol. But then we all know the only real safety is the one between the ears.
 
The idea is a long DA pull is "safer" than a partially cocked striker on a carry pistol.

Logic would then dictate decocking before every shot. Bummer.

It would also seem to indicate that a cocked 1911, for instance, is out of the question.

Think I'll stick with my original opinion. :rolleyes:
 
Man, now I gotta go check mine! (Tomorrow when it's light out)

Thanks for the heads up.
 
but it only takes one malfunction like that to make you lose faith in a brand.

To the op, this is a very serious problem , but had it happened on a Ruger or a S&W, would you have lost faith in the brand? Maybe, maybe not.

I think that we all have been somewhat conditioned to think that when a Kimber has a serious failure, it's a malfunction, but when a Taurus has a serious failure, there's something wrong with the brand.

My nearly new S&W just plain stopped working/firing in the middle of my CCW qualifying - extremely humiliating - but had it been a self defense scenario, it would've been deadly.

You're right to be scared, though.

Here's what I'd do -

Get it fixed by Taurus, then get some of the CHEAPO PLASTIC snap caps that have a smooth back end (primer end). These leave a permanent mark on the cap when the gun is fired. Chamber one of these caps and work the decocker like a THOUSAND times. If you see a mark from the pin after all of that, lose confidence.

If not, the problem is likely fixed. JMO.

Best wishes.
 
It is possible Taurus has "silently" fixed the issue in new production

Wally, they fixed that on my PT-145 for what it's worth. Best wishes.
 
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