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thanks for all the replies it seems the consensus is crimson trace for the auto on feature but $300! is crazy I guess I will just stick to what will happen will happen untill I get my forever carry (knock on wood) that I would outfit with a laser...

ct seems the best as far as less thinking but the price difference and lack of choice for firearms makes for more issues currently carry s&w m&p 4" but I'm looking into the new taurus 2nd gen compact models

I'm looking into laser sights for ccw and I'm having trouble deciding what type would be better. Crimson trace due to the"auto on" when held it turns on or a manual laser like the rest laserlyte etc. The question is because I hear that using a manual laser can be difficult in stressful defense...

I plan on just getting both to be certain and I will be using the tapco retaining plate just for personal preference but I'll most likely have to dremel something I just wasn't sure if this was the exact thing everyone else mentioned in the thread. Their prices were much higher in the s-12 forum...

now this thread isn't so old I plan on doing this mod where did you guys get your safety levers I see them https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/75/products_id/1108 here will this work?

The CBRPS trigger system seems to work and they were able to make it better, but a question since I don't know much about these things would changing the fcg to a tapco g2 work better?

the ratchet system should take care of that as for the trigger problem I guess that's why there aren't that many bull pup ak kits. I didn't hear anything bad about the KVAR trigger assembly what is the issue?

I didn't see that that's great if only his system would work with saiga. It's just a personal thing to me I would rather have a everything clean and new than the used stuff from wasr's but I don't see harm in having both I guess

That is true

I see the point of the safety location so yes that would be an issue but the working parts would be the difficult part that's why I don't have plans on doing it myself at the moment I just wish some company out there would make it. I like the Robinson Arms XCR they're just expensive. The trigger...

Pretty much if you don't like bull pup design don't be mean If you do then let me know what you think about this particular design and features

Yes I noted that that's why this is my own design there's things about that one I don't like. It doesn't work for saiga and it doesn't allow for the ratchet charging system and It may be more difficult to field strip I'm not sure

THIS IS ONLY A WHAT IF DREAM I can't produce this in any way I just want to see what you experts out there think and I don't want criticism. I by no means know how any of this would work but I'd like to develop it for myself one day. It's obviously photoshopped and its pretty much and fn fs2000...

great info thanks everyone I think I'll do both eventually maybe a .308 more of a sniper style target gun which would still be of use.

I'm definitely going to dinzag for pretty much everything and that retaining plate. Thanks Kymasabe for the helpful tips I'm going to need them. As for everyone's suggestions I believe I will stick with the x39 and about that conversion being easier I agree that the .308 is "supposed" to be less...

since it would be something to go to the range with and SHTF it would be under 300m of course

I am looking to get my first semi rifle so I have decided to get a Russian American Saiga and convert it to ak style. I know 7.62 which I will call AK ammo is cheaper mil surplus than the .308. Is the higher priced .308 ammo worth it or the AK ammo being cheaper and still damaging? Thanks does...

Got it! I'm pretty sure I've figured it out thanks to everyone's help. I think it's an I.O(inter ordinance) ak with tapco furniture like others have said and a bunch of stuff thrown at it to make it seem like a good price. Now the I.O Inc is a whole different story AK made 100% US some say good...

this post says it's a true Saiga but it's way under priced? http://www.gunsamerica.com/977300724/Guns/Rifles/Saiga-Rifles/NIB_SAIGA_7_62x39_SYN_16_3_10rd_3_8_lbs_IZ_132_FREE_SHIPPING_END_OF_YEAR_LAYAWAY_AVAILABL.htm#

I looked on gunsamerica and it seems like these are around the same price with less additions or more expensive for the saiga models am I missing something?