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They make very fine (handguns and rifles). They are a little expensive but so is a caddilac as apossed to a cobalt. the disadvantage would be capacity as apposed to a paraordinace p14 and the springfield 13rd version of the 1911...Other than that they make pretty sweet pistols. Real smooth...

the .22lr bounces inside the body and rides along the bones especially the 60 grain sss from agulia. The .17 hmr jacketed bullet will penetrate much more than the v-max style bullets and kill large animals at distances under 50 yards with a well placed shot every time. the .22 mag has more...