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@NG VI It's just that you seem so sure that all defensive encounters happen outside the effective range of a .410 revolver. When in fact as the examples I have posted show that such up close contact is most often the case for a defensive handgun use. I find it rather funny that you...

The Hog The Hogs head with probe The only recovered '000' pellet

For folks that think the Governor is underpowered with '000' buck loads I was actually able to kill a Hog today (for fresh meat) The first round of '000' buck slammed through the Hogs skull,and for folks that say "So what?" The Hogs skull was a thick two inches of solid bone plus 4-5...

@Allaroundhunter "It's capacity is less than a 1911" Did you or did you not type the above bit?

@NG VI Here is the point. This is how far away you are from said point. Show actual video of the many documented incidents of self defense beyond point blank range. You know the counter point to my...

@Skribs And historically speaking from the 19th century on through to world war 1 and beyond which has done better in hits when the range is close on a moving target....a rifle or a shotgun?

@allaroundhunter So you are saying that since a K/J-frame .38 holds less ammo than a 1911 then it is not a good option for a self defense gun? I know several folks on this board that would disagree with you on that one.

@Allaroundhunter That is why I've been stocking up on both flavors of .45 caliber ammo I'm not saying that longer ranged fights won't happen but as you can see from the vids that were used in examples as well as many of the defensive use stories in any number of firearms magazines or...

@Skribs Thank you for being honest on this subject,that is all anyone could ask for. I would like to say that long range encounters should be trained for because they lead to the shooter becoming a better shot with their weapon of choice,and breed confidence. But I will say that we...

@Skribs But such encounters are most often the exception rather than the rule wouldn't you say?

@Silicosys4 Birdshot maybe could go 4 inches but the '000' stuff punches much deeper.

@ Lawdawg Thank you for saying so sir,I'm glad that we could have this conversation. Also just to tie up any loose ends from the video examples...how far would you say that most of those encounters took place? 50 yards...25 yards? Or Barely a few feet at the longest?

Example #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ut5e2vSXA Example #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTX7hqeNyQ0&feature=related Example #3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4t1a_v9sG4&feature=related Example #4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOmtyTJ2f0&feature=related...

@allaroundhunter What is the average distance of most self defense cases with a handgun?

@ 2 Wheels I have never, nor have I heard folks say that a person using a Judge/Gov. doesn't need to aim. What I have said on the matter is that it gives the user more of a potential for a stop vs a single projectile. I will agree with some of the posters on here that have said these...

@NG VI Listed weight is: 29.6 oz Overall length is: 8.5 inches Overall Height is: 5.5 inches Width is: 1.75 inches Fully loaded a standard S&W Governor weighs in about the same as an empty 686 Plus with a 2.5 inch barrel and gives up maybe an inch in overall length...

@ Lawdawg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlYXNhJXmXo&feature=plcp

The Governor balances very well.

Depending on which model Judge you are talking about and the type of loads used. If you are talking 3-inch chambered 3-inch barrel model using off the shelf winchester buckshot (Unplated plain lead 3-inch or 2-1/2 inch shell) or the newer stuff (Federal 3-inch/2-1/2 inch plated '000')...

Also it should be noted that the target in the pic that I posted was made by tracing out an old blank CD.