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Obviously the people who would sign it failed history class.

If Gary Johnson was elected last year, any talk of Federal gun control would remain just that - talk.

I'm happy to help shoot those proposals down. I haven't done a very good job of saying it, so I'll say it here: I agree with you 100% I guess I was thinking of this proposal in place of systems that are currently in effect. So my hope was in the end we would be offering less information.

Thank you for pointing that out. But all I said was that I didn't mention it, meaning I wasn't prepared to talk about it. And yes, it's not easy, but I'm trying to keep up!

That's not what I meant. I have 2 jobs in this proposal. 1) fill in a bill of sale, and 2) when LE says "I have a warrant to see the bill of sale for firearm XYZ", that I allow my lawyer to turn it over. I'm not taking responsibility for anything the buyer does with it.

Excellent question. My spur-of-the-moment proposal is anything but bulletproof (pun intended), but I'm sure there are answers depending on where the guns go. Simple answer is selling them to a dealer where the chain of ownership resets, or whoever inherits them, voluntarily submits the...

Torian, thank you for a straightforward, constructive post. It seems a rare find here. I am new at a lot of this (you can probably tell), and I'm just trying to understand what it's all about. Yes, if I list a gun for sale in the classifieds, and someone shows up with cash, I assume this to...

Thank you so much for separating me from the Democrats! :) I think those proposals are stupid too.

I haven't mentioned anything about background checks. But I'll go read the thread and get back.

I guess I was away for awhile, huh? When I said "I have it", I means the dealer's name, and it means information about the firearm. That would be sent in to whatever state/fed agency collects the info. This info basically says that on that date, that firearm was owned by this dealer. That's...

I'm guessing you're talking about the way the current system(s) work, or you're interpreting my proposal to mean an FFL for every transaction. No, FTF certainly fits in the proposal I made. I did understand your answer of NO. I think we've heard that already on this thread, but it is noted...

No, it was the anti-gun folks that kept proposing gun restrictions. The answers from the pro-freedom people like us was variations of "NO, I REFUSE". The voters had those 2 choices to choose from. I really think it's in our best interest to offer a better answer.

Yes, I thought that was obvious. It would be like getting pulled over and not having your vehicle registration. I've been driving for 40 years and have managed never to lose my registration. I think I could hold on to a firearm bill of sale. Sounds like we're jumping to unnecessary...

Good answer. I think that was the answer they gave in CA, MA, NY, and .. goodness, the list is growing. :(

True. How about each time a gun goes through a dealer, the dealer files a form that says "I have it". Yes, it's true that this would create a database, and to be a dealer you'd have to give up some anonymity. I'd actually like to hear from some dealers how they feel about this. But every time a...

Because the person/dealer who sold it to you had the form with your name on it.

Yeah, that would have been my guess too.

Actually I think it's important that pro-freedom people offer solutions to problems like this. If we leave it up to gun grabbers to come up with solutions, we know what it's going to look like. And being on the defensive, and answering everything with "No", isn't serving us very well.

I don't know, I just made that up. :D Seriously, I would assume there would be some incentive in place to get you to file it in a safe place. Even without penalties, I'd keep it because that's my "get out of criminal investigation" card.

The sales records could be maintained by the sellers (private or dealer). That way there's no searchable database, but there is a chain of ownership if a court produces a warrant.