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Please explane this. Springfield makes the Ultra Compact in Brazil (now,use to be ILL.) but it cost the same as when it was made in the US.....

Smith Mod-10 with wadcutters. Low recoil and accrate. If you reload, load up some dumdums. Low recoil and a big splat!

M-60, CAR-15 and a Colt Trooper MK-lll, I never left NKP without them. That and my "chicken plate".

The cost of the licence is to offset the cost to the state to do an investigation for the permit. Right? Then why does Oklahoma charge 100$ for a 5 year permit and 200$ for a 10 year permit. I'm not bitchin about the cost (cheap compaired to some) just a question...

I would make the trip and would love it. What "one" is doing is both unselfish and damned nice. Everyone knows what we will see at heavens gates. I dare say that "one" will be there. USAF security cop 72-78 and proud of it.

My nephew found my carbine and went crying to his mother. He ask his mother if the gun would kill him. My sister is what she calls progressive. She ask me to get rid of the "thing" or they would leave. It's sad but they haven't been in my home since 1983.

Gota go. Heres another of Coopers quotes; When ask about the 06 being the best rifle round he said "the 30-06 is a little heavy for rabbits and a little lite for elephants, but it will do a fair job on both" Goodnite...Waldo

treo; Col. Cooper was no idiot and what I said was no contradiction. Read the posts. I don't subscribe to the "more is better" way of thinking. In the real world no CC person needs more than one round to stop a fight(the other six are insurance). I'm retired AF we call in the 52s when...

Coloradokevin; I believe you, but as of 2005 the roster of police shootings at Gunsite dosn't show it.

I have no doubt the .45 has failed to stop a fight. In actual police shootings it hasn't. No magical properties. It's a function of mass. I'm not picking a fight, so to speak, but if you have a choice, are you telling me you would carry anything less than the best you have? Think about...

"Handgun stopping power" refers to the "energy" inparted and has been proved to be unrealiable. A 115gr 9mm +p+ has 505fp of energy, the .45 230gr 425fp of energy. In police shootings to date the .45 has a 100% fight stopping record, the 9 dosn't. Go figure

Cowssurf; Col.Cooper was speaking from personal experiance. "Pathetic claim"? You ever hear of someone fighting back after a hit with the .45?

Some damn fine info GAF. Thanks!

30 years ago a State Trooper at our church would take off his weapon and put it on the hat rack. Now 50% of the men carry in church. If we could only go back!

If it makes you feel good carring it, go ahead. Just don't load it. You might shoot yourself.. DEFENSOR FORTIS

Col. Jeff Cooper wrote a good deal about this from first hand experance. He states that the .45 ACP 230gr. ball or HP is the best fight stopper. No one has ever fought back after a torso hit with a .45 (Coopers words)however there a number of examples of people hit with a 9mm up to 21 times...

If they got it right it wouldn't match what they believe. If someone handed them a "real" Glock they would faint. And no the 9mm BP load will not cycle a simi-auto. It will however, "exit" the bbl of a revolver....Maybe!

Senior Gun in the house. Winchester model 67. It was my Granddads, my Dads, and now mine. My Grandson will get it. Fine shooter to this day! SgtWaldo