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thanks, I'll see if I can find it. If you have a link, please post it... I wondered how well it would feed. The 444 Marlin brass is nearly identical but shorter and not purely identical. The Saiga's tend to have some feeding problems anyway, so I wondered about that issue...

Has anyone ever noticed or paid attention to the Russian Saiga 410 shotgun (AK47 platform)? Have any of you noticed that the Golden Bear/Silver Bear 410 slugs are roughly 10 mm Foster slugs loaded with a sabot that brings the total to .430 caliber roughly which is then loaded in a 410 shotcup...

[see pic earlier linked of the 45-70 standing next to the 44 Colt-410] The core ideas are discussed earlier in this thread. Basically, this is the Magtech 410 2.5 inch brass which is actually 2.375 inch long. In order to deal with the narrow chambering of the 45/410 weapons, I used a 44 Colt...

as discussed earlier, the first 44 Colt-410 cartridges (pic above) are loaded with triple seven. After I finish the tests with the "concept cartridges" I loaded with triple seven, then I'll post the data. Fired out of a 20 inch H&R/NEF HandiRifle "Survivor", I suspect I'll get ballistics...

The taller cartridge is the 44-410 Colt (dubbed the 450 Hu-Mongo or the 450 Winn Mag). the shorter cartridge is the 45-70

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=6686&highlight=450+mongo above thread contains more ideas.

more ideas here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=6686&highlight=450+mongo

MikeP: I have found what I consider to be the ideal brass to use in the very long 45/410 Contender chamber: the old European metric round introduced in 1900 and still somewhat popular over there in doubles and single shot rifles, the 9.3x74R. These cases are available in the US from Norma and...

I did receive the brass .410 cases and I neck sized in a .44 mag sizer die and the heel of the 248 grain bullet seated easily in a .45-70 seater die. I can of course make a crimp die but I do not think it will be nessisary in a single shot the heel bullets were snug in the case and I did not...

Thanks, Snuffy. Looks like I stick with Cowboy loads (triple seven) for the 410 brass loads. I sent the 410 brass off to Old West Moulds. They are going to make the brass sizing tool (to size the neck down to 44 mag parameters), the bullet seating tool, and the heeled bullet crimping tool...

I have a question that I know many of you probably know the answer to. As can be noted above, I am still talking about loading a 44 Colt heeled bullet in the 410 brass produced by Magtech. That brass uses a small pistol primer. It is my understanding that that construction is going to...

I should also mention the very obvious: The 450 Mongo ought to just be loaded with 44 Colt heeled bullets in the first place. Old West Moulds will make a crimping tool for you... It should be very easy to construct the original 450 Mongo idea this way. It actually ought to be a lot easier...

Looks like the plan, Snuffy and Okiecruffler, is to put a shoulder/neck on the 410 brass to bring it down to load the old 44 Colt heeled bullet. Old West Moulds is making the tool to crimp the bullet. Of course, they also make the mould. So, I have come back around to the idea of the 44...

"You could probably neck size brass in a .44 mag or better a .444 Marlin die and bell for the bullet as well if resizing to .44 case dims-at least the neck and a .44 Colt bullet will work well with this neck sizing. I have a 248 grain heel bullet that will cast at least .452"x.429" with longer...

Here's another idea. I can pick up these bullets cheap enough. They are the old 44 Colt bullets which also were Heeled bullets with a .429 diameter base/heel and a bullet diameter of .451 http://www.gadcustomcartridges.com/#heelbase

http://www.oldwestbulletmoulds.com/ This might be the ticket. I sent them an email. They don't have a pic of the heel crimper device on the page that I can find. :)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=20719.msg263708 another thread with links about crimping a heeled bullet...

http://www.lasc.us/TaylorCrimping480Achilles.htm I'm not familiar with the 480 Achilles but here is how this fellow crimped a heeled bullet...

Yes, even if I get this to work, all I am really doing is re-creating either the 444 Marlin or the 460 S&W depending on what size powder load I use. But, I like the idea of being able to use this basic platform idea (gun and cartridge) to load to: 1)45 Colt max load plus filler 2)444 Marlin...

The original 41Colt also had a heeled base bullet. Later, they went to a smaller bullet with a hollow base (soft lead) with the design to expand to engage the threads... sounds familiar to my thought processes. But, I still haven't found how the old 41 Colt was crimped with a heeled base...