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‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jsalcedo, Dec 14, 2005.

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  1. jsalcedo

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    WINNIPEG — A Winnipeg teenager has been suspended from school after he was overheard saying he had a gun in his pocket.

    But the teen, who doesn’t own a gun or know anyone who does, claims he was just trying to make a point about the futility of Prime Minister Paul Martin’s campaign promise to ban handguns.

    Brendon Hardt, a 14-year-old student at John Pritchard school, said he made the comments while discussing current events with his class on Friday morning.

    Last week on the federal election campaign trail, Martin pledged that a Liberal government would ban handgun ownership in Canada.

    ‘‘I said, ‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it?’,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘I was trying to show how unsafe schools could be, and how anyone could just walk in with a gun, and no one would know.’’

    He said he made the comments to a friend, but a teacher overheard him. Brendon was sent to the principal’s office, where he said he was questioned for the next several hours.

    He said the principal then drove him home and told him he was suspended for much of the next week.

    ‘‘He was saying he thought that I was a threat,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘He said, even if he was 95 per cent sure (that I wasn’t), he still couldn’t take that chance.’’

    John Carlyle, superintendent of the River East Transcona School Division, did not return calls for comment.

    http://www.brandonsun.com/story.php?story_id=13260
     
  2. Medusa

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    What a bunch of idiots, it looks like a national panic.
     
  3. Janitor

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    Yup. Idiotic.

    But the boy probably would have been expelled in the US.
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  4. CAS700850

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    You know, one of the things I miss least about working in juvenile court was the idiocy of some school beaurocrats. While I would hope this wouldn't happen in the U.S., I'm afraid it would.
     
  5. dasmi

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    That kid makes more sense than anyone running Canada.
     
  6. NineseveN

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    Still a stupid thing to say in any event. He could have phrased it better. He would have been suspended here as well.
     
  7. mbs357

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    He's smart...but then again he's not.
    Saying "I have a gun" is never a good idea. :uhoh:
     
  8. pax

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    I'd say he lost the debate because the teacher answered his question rather decisively: the government knew about it because there are a bunch of people willing to tell the government when someone says something like that.

    pax
     
  9. NineseveN

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    Best.
    Post.
    Today.
     
  10. Seminole

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    Obviously the boy, being a ward of a government school, has not learned to use the subjunctive mood. Proper grammar would have kept him out of trouble.
     
  11. Standing Wolf

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    In point of fact, I'd say the lad has clearly demonstrated how unsafe government schools in Canada actually are. They're certainly no place for those who wish to speak the truth or question the perceived wisdom.
     
  12. jsalcedo

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    Who knows that the kid actually said.

    He could have said: "For example, if I have a gun in my pocket...."

    They only hear and report "I have a gun in my pocket"
     
  13. Thefabulousfink

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    Most likely, now he will go out and buy a gun to protect himself from an oppressive Gov.

    The school actually thinks that actions like this protect students, it just creates distrust of authority.
     
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    I must be gettin' old. The first thing that popped into my mind was "Apt natural, I have a gub."

    /Pe (well - he was funny once upon a time) et
     
  15. MechAg94

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    Sure it is and he could have, but this is a kid we are talking about, not an adult. He is supposed to be in school "learning". Obviously, they are teaching him a healthy distrust of govt and bureaucrat stooges. I blame the teacher first for bing a rat fink idiot and the principle second for just being stupid.
    :)
     
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    I agree with you, but, there is something to be said about the line "even if I am 95% sure" they still have to remove the kid from school...because if they don't and the kid has a gun and shoots some teachers and kids, guess who's responsible? Not the parents (Johnny was a good kid, don't know where he found the guns), not the kid (poor misunderstood youth bombarded by violent rap music and video games), it would be the persons in charge of remving the child from school when he said "I have a gun" or something to that effect.

    If he thinks he can get away with that, let him say that in an airport around air marshalls, or in a federal building, or on a military base he was visiting. Or in New Jersey :)evil:)

    Some things are not appropriate to say in certain places. Hopefully he learned that.

    However, his intended message was spot on, I just wish he had a better way of communicating it.
     
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    Suspending the boy did no good.
    What would stop him if he decided to return to school with a gun and use it?
    Student: "I'm baaaack."
    Teacher: "You are suspended, you cant be here."
    S: Pulls gun. "No I am nooot!"

    My point is, if the boy is a threat- a real threat- he could just as easily come back and open fire. Suspension, expulsion, harsh words, nothing could stop it from happening.
     
  18. Dead

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    If you think a gun in the pocket is bad check this site out...
    http://www.tevixmd.com/


    I have also heard that NYC monitor's purchases of certain medications to determine if there are any "spikes" in small demographics areas, if there is an alarm sounds! no joke. Of course this is all for the Public's Health. ;)
     
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    Have to show the boy the futile nature of his disobedience to his masters. God forbid the boy think for himself and God forbid that thought be contrary to those of his betters.

    Makes me sick. We live in strange times friends.

    Chris
     
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    Sounds like Canada is going the same way the UK has...
     
  22. Sinsaba

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    If we're in an airport talking about the stupid efforts of gun control nuts and I say word for word what that student reported he said, what would happen? Absolute worse case, an air Marshal would misunderstand turn around and without a word shoot me dead. My wife would be rich as would whoever I was talking to (emotional trauma you know). Less than worse case? Said air marshal would order me to halt, display hands, I'd be detained, possibly charged, etc. I think it wouldn't be likely that I'd be charged after it was found out what was happening.

    It is not against the law to have a conversation. It is not against the law to in conversation pose the hypothetical phrase "if I had a gun". If I run up to a counter and shout "I have a gun!" that is an entirely different story.

    We all know this! The "oh... you are so irresponsable if you mention the word "gun" in an airport you deserve what you get!" mentality is only one step away from a police state. Yes I need to be responsible for what I say, where I say it, and how I say it; by the same token those around me need to be responsible for the actions they take when they listen. They have to think "what was the context?". Yes, in a secuity issue, if there is doubt they have to make sure (I could live with stop and check under the circumstances), but how they react after that should depend on what they find.
     
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    I would like to know how it is determined that the act of just carrying a loaded firearm automatically makes a person a threat.
    And to what or whom has that person then become a threat?

    I routinely carry a pocket knife.
    Does that automatically make me a threat to all unopened boxes and envelopes???
     
  24. AF_INT1N0

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    Onmilo--

    :what: A Knife in your pocket?!? :what: Yes!! it does... :mad: AND YOU ARE HEREBY BANNED FROM BOXES ETC.

    So sayth the grand puba of all that is cute and cuddly.. So let it be written. So let it be done!:neener:
     
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    Think of all the uncertainty that could be avoided (if not outright prevented) if we would simply require that each student carry a handgun to school.

    In order to preempt "gamesmanship," it would have to be handled like school uniforms. Each school would have an approved handgun. For grammar schools, think a .22 Ruger Bearcat would be appropriate. For middle schools/junior highs, some variant of .380 auto (with ONE extra magazine) might be about right. For high school, some kind of 9mm semi-auto.

    Then everyone would be equal, and nobody would have to wonder.

    Betcha we wouldn't see any more Columbines.
     
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