“I’m Against Guns and Violence, Unfortunately Reality Has Intruded..."

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I think a lot of us would disagree with some parts of the story below, but it certainly is an interesting perspective. The comments section is also interesting.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?s=delusional+paradise

“I’m Against Guns and Violence, Unfortunately Reality Has Intruded on My Delusional Paradise.”
by Robert J. Avrech

“Thing is, he’s going to kill me.”

“Have you gone to the police?”

“Yes, of course I have.”

“And what happened?”

She shakes her head from side to side, wraps her arms protectively around her chest.
“I got a restraining order against Ned, that’s my ex-boyfriend. But you know what good that is, don’t you?”

“Tell me.”

She inscribes a big zero in the air.

Five Minutes Earlier
It’s a crowded Sunday morning in the Martin B. Retting Gun Shop in Culver City.

There’s the usual cross-section of customers:

Two elderly black women, sisters, who have been robbed countless times by drug-addicts. Ignored by the LAPD, they have no choice but to buy a gun for self-defense. The women wear colorful bonnets. Yup, they dressed up to go gun shopping.

There are a couple of hunters buying high-powered ammunition; they sound like Los Alamos scientists as they discuss the exquisite physics of various exotic slugs. It’s way beyond my comprehension.
Two Marines on leave are stocking up on rugged, combat-ready clips for their side-arms. Semper Fi.
There’s also a young Hispanic apartment manager who lives in a high-crime area. His wife just had a baby—Mazal Tov!—and he wants to protect his family from the local “desperadoes.”
I’m waiting my turn.

Protagonist
And so is a young woman who absolutely sticks out in the gun shop. She’s wearing a cream colored linen baby doll with blue grosgrain trim; on her feet, pink flip-flops that pop off alabaster skin. Her hair is the color of golden Kansas wheat. Mid-twenties, she’s an iconic all-American beauty who makes me flash to memories of a truly insane childhood crush: Tuesday Weld as Thalia Menninger on The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.

Looking as if she’s on the edge of a meltdown, she paces, glances nervously at the display cases lined with gleaming rows of pistols and revolvers. She makes a move to exit the gun shop, then returns, as if yanked by a fishing reel.

“Excuse me, do you, do you know about guns?”

She’s even got that vulnerable, tremulous Tuesday Weld pitch to her voice.

And she is talking to yours truly.

“A bit.”

“I’m terrified of guns.”

I hold out my hands as if checking for rain.

“Sounds crazy, I know, thing is—do you think the salesmen are going to be much longer?”

“There’s tons of paperwork if you buy a gun.”

Her eyes dart about, then she just looks at me straight-on:
“Thing is, he’s going to kill me.”

Antagonist
That’s when she tells me about Ned; the evil, the obsessive, the ex-boyfriend.
Ned is a stalker, a human virus who has infected every aspect of her life.

She speaks of restraining orders:
“The thing about them is that people like Ned always find a way around them. He’s there on my computer. He’s a computer guy, for Chrissakes. He knows when I start going out with a new dude and he makes sure to tell the new one all sorts of trash about me. And d’you think the dude sticks around? No one wants that level of drama. I’ve moved twice already and he always finds me. Ned’s always there. Sometimes I wake up at night, go to my window and I’m telling you he’s watching me. Hey, I’m sorry for unloading on you. You must think I’m such a loser chick.”

“It’s fine. I feel awful for you. But it’s good you’re taking steps to protect yourself. It’s admirable. Men like Ned count on women being scared and defenseless.”

She pauses. Looks down at the display of guns.

Conflict
“I can’t believe I’m here. I’ve been against guns and violence my whole life.”

I let this pass. Now is not the time for a self-righteous lecture.

Intertitle: UTOPIA IS THE OPIATE OF LIBERALS.
“Did Ned threaten you, physically, I mean?”

“Said I belong to him and no one else. That’s about it. But I know what he means.”

“What did the police say?”

“The last cop, as he was leaving, whispered for me to get a gun.”

I tell her that owning a gun isn’t sufficient. She has to take safety classes, self-defense classes. She has to know what she’s doing. From the counter, I grab a handful of NRA brochures and press them into her hands. I make her promise that she’ll sign up as soon as she gets her gun in ten days.

“Ten days?” she says.

Nodding, I explain:

“First you have to take a test, here in the store, a written test. They’ll give you a booklet to study. Then you get a certificate making you eligible to buy a weapon in California. After you purchase the gun there’s a ten-day waiting period until you take possession.”

“But why?”

“Background check. To make sure you’re not a felon, a psychopath, an illegal immigrant, a terrorist, a drug addict. It’s the law.”

Once again, she wraps her arms around her chest, as if trying to keep her heart inside her body.
“Ned’s really smart—a psychozoid like you wouldn’t believe.”

Rising Tension
I do not ask her why she went out with Ned in the first place. The answer is obvious: psychopaths are clever at disguising their pathologies. Evil is seductive.

“You’re going to be okay. I know you are.”

She shrugs, scans a row of pistols.

“Are those good?”

“Those are .45 automatics. Probably too much gun for you. I’d recommend a simple revolver. Probably a Smith & Wesson J frame, a .38. But we’ll see what the salesman have to say, they are the experts here, okay?”

She manages a thin smile, her first since I’ve met her.

“Cool.”

“One piece of advice, even before you buy a gun, and this is important.”

“Yeah?”

“Lose the flip-flops.”

She looks down at her feet, curls her toes, lacquered a hot psychedelic pink.

“Huh?”

“You can’t run or maneuver in those things. Get in the habit of wearing a good solid pair of running shoes.”

“Oh, right, right. What was I thinking?”

I lead her to the glass case that holds the wheel guns, weapons that are simple to load, easy to handle, jam-proof. And, you better believe: lethal.

She scans the display. She seems overwhelmed.

Finally, she looks up at me and says: “What’s to stop Ned from killing me in the next ten days?”

I have no answer.

Resolution, Not So Much, For This is, Unfortunately, Reality
Hours later, I tell my wife Karen about the conversation. In the background FOX Cable News is reporting the brutal murder of a pregnant woman. The chief suspect is her ex-boyfriend, an evil piece of human garbage with a history of stalking women.

“I’m terrified I’m going to wake up one day and see that she’s been murdered. Maybe I should have done more.”

“What more could you have done?”

Shrugging, I admit I have no idea.

But Ned is out there, obsessively dreaming, watching, waiting for the right moment — to make her his own.

The Cornered Cat ( http://www.corneredcat.com/ ) is an excellent resource for women who wish to learn about self-defense and firearms. Highly recommended.
 
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Bumping this, since I changed the title etc. And since it hasn't been posted elsewhere on THR...

The thing to consider here in S&T is- how do you best help someone who finds themselves in such a situation?

lpl
 
Ya know, this is a touchy or contentious subject. I made a conscious decision many years ago. That decision was to protect myself from someone hurting me or taking my life. I certainly don’t relish doing the same to someone else, in other words I have no desire to shoot and kill another person. I depend on God to care for me, but he gave me the since to know when it is time to walk away and when it is time to stand up with the attitude that “I won’t go quietly into the night.” So I have taken the stance; that if you don’t bother me, I won’t bother you; the best thing to do is to leave me alone. I take NO responsibility for anyone else save my immediate family and the ones I love. I know that’s a difficult pill for some here to swallow. Chivalry for the most part is dead and to place ones self in the middle of a fracas that is not your on, is folly and fraught with much danger. I have first hand knowledge on this subject and It ain’t gonna happen again. Now if someone searches me out and ask me for my advise; I don’t mind to advise them to the best of my ability and knowledge and providing that I know the morals and mental state of that person; I will help them. Clearly the young lady in this account needs a mentor, a person preferably in her family to counsel, train and advise her. An outsider can fill that post. A gun store clerk often is ill-equipped to do so. Had I been him, I would have been willing to sell her a weapon of her chose and may have been willing to make a suggestion or two. However, she most definitely needs help from an individual who can advise her in all the legal ramifications and rights, train her in the ways of a firearm and assist her in selecting a viable weapon that she is capable of becoming proficient with. If there is some reprobate stalking her, she needs protection. Just my thoughts.
P.T.
 
According to the Brady Bunch she should just give the guy what he wants and not resist. Idiots.

Restraining orders are worthless. My brother's wife had an ex-boyfriend like this before they got married. Despite a restraining order he would still show up on her doorstep at all hours, threatening her, etc. He's probably 6'2" and 250 lbs, she's maybe 100 pounds soaking wet. How exactly was she supposed to defend herself? All a restraining order does is give the police something extra to charge the guy with after he assaults or kills someone.
 
I'm pretty sure I've seen this posted on THR before... but it is a very compelling story.

Getting involved with strangers problems can be dicey.... you can even wind up helping the wrong player (just because she's a doll and flips your switch doesn't mean she's not a crack head).

Unsolicited council is not often well received.

The myth of Police protection has to be dispelled in this country. The Police are only going to provide that kind of protection for our political masters.

Let her go ahead of you in line and maybe tell the clerk or preferably the owner that this gal needs some serious help. Chances are that the gun store owner has dealt with similar situations before, and if anyone knows where and when the nearest gun shoe is, where she can avoid the waiting period, it would be the owner.

I dread the thought that some day that may be my daughter.... and I'm reminded that no matter how bad my kids mess up in life, I need to always communicate that I love them and will be there for them.

Lord have mercy on Ned's sorry soul if he ever hurts one of my daughters!
 
I see, again, that the 'little woman' gets offered the .38 Spl wheelgun, 'cos that big old nasty .45ACP is a man's gun.

Bullpoopy. With proper training anyone can use a .45ACP with as much effect as anyone else. It's things like that statement "probably too much gun for you" that'll make it too much gun for her. Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad.

I will happily admit that revolvers are easier in the sense you get 5-8 shots that are pretty much guaranteed, and the 38 Spl, with the right ammo is a good combination, but to instantly pooh pooh the auto loaders? And I strongly disagree with the ease of loading statement. Dropping one box and sliding another one in is much much easier than trying to individually load rounds, or to get 5-8 bullets to match up to their holes. Especially under stress.

I don't know the law about where this story comes from, but what are the waiting periods for shotguns and rifles? A nice 12 or maybe 20 guage or a lever action .357Mag would make a good quickly purchased house defence gun. Rather expensive for that 10 day gap but it'll work.

This is one reason I awlays carry around the business cards of a couple of self defence instructors, one of them a woman who is fantastic with grappling and knives.

While I'm not against guns, and not against rolly's for SD, I always strong advocate going the whole hog. Like the shoes statement above, you get them to the right instructor and they'll sort them out. It is rather touch and go from being helpful and informative to being "that crazy guy", but when you get to things like "whats to stop him killing me" answers like "I had no answer" just isn't acceptable.

A better answer would have been "You". Or "Your own will to live". Or "These people can help". Or "Start training now and you improve your chances with every lesson". Or "Start taking the precautions now and it'll be harder for him".

KBK
 
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The myth of Police protection has to be dispelled in this country. The Police are only going to provide that kind of protection for our political masters.
More of a LIE, really, calculated to justify preventing you from protecting yourself without providing any meaningful protection by third parties.

If a cop SEES you in trouble, he'll come to the rescue, USUALLY. Of course having him or her SEE you is the problem, isn't it?

Criminals tend not to be very bright, but then neither do great white sharks and Nile crocodiles. The odds are, nobody's going to try to rob or rape you in front of your local police station. Neither are they going to kick in your front door when a marked police car is parked in front of your house with two cops in it. Instead, they're going to do these things in a parking lot or your home at night when there AREN'T police around.

Entirely too many people think of 911 as a matter transporter, not a communications system of variable efficacy. How long did it take the cops to enter the building in Binghamton, NY? If there was an hour delay between pulling the trigger and something coming out of the barrel, I wouldn't carry a gun for individual protection; why then do people rely on 911 and the police? That of course assumes that your assailant ALLOWS you to dial 911. Why WOULD he? I wouldn't want to try to chamber a round in a semi-auto handgun while trying to fend off somebody with a butcher knife. How would it be any easier trying to call the police on a cell phone in the same situation? And after all that, you're TRUSTING that 911 will be working, AND that you'll get a reasonably intelligent 911 operator with common sense. That's NOT guaranteed. You could instead get somebody who demands that you put on the line, the person who just shot you in the abdomen. That actually happened in Detroit.

One more time:
1. Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
2. Police have no legal liability when they fail to protect individuals.
3. Police have virtually no physical ability to protect individuals. 911 is NOT a matter transporter.

Protect YOURSELF as an individual or in most cases, don't get protected AT ALL.
 
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Bullpoopy. With proper training anyone can use a .45ACP with as much effect as anyone else. It's things like that statement "probably too much gun for you" that'll make it too much gun for her. Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad.
And that's the heart of the matter, isn't it?

I wouldn't consider a .45 automatic as a good FIRST handgun for ANYBODY, especially if they're not into guns, and not likely to do a lot of practice, nevermind take time off and spend a lot of money (when they possibly have little of either) for specialized training.

Judging from the facts of the story, she might need that gun RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW doesn't give her much time to learn the ins and outs of a semi-auto handgun, even a Glock, nevermind something with a manual safety. Somebody with plenty of time to plan and practice, forgot to chamber a round when they tried to assassinate Gerald Ford with an M1911. This woman may get into shooting LATER. Right now, she just wants the basic ability to keep from happening to her, what happened to my godsister. She wants not to get stabbed to death, and probably in the least complicated way possible. That's going to be with a double action revolver.

The question is not whether she can learn to shoot an M1911. The question is, does she have the time and resources, RIGHT NOW? Some day, she could be the best IDPA shooter in her part of the country... but only if she isn't murdered first by the whackjob she's afraid of.
 
True, but telling someone right out that the .45 is out of their league also means they won't want to shoot a rolly in .45. In the hands of a beginner any weapon is going to feel unfamiliar, so they are gonna have to get taught how to use it. Recoil is recoil.

Telling her the handcannon is a hand cannon, she'll treat it like one. Tell her the .45's are well designed, well rounded weapons that can be used by anyone, and give her one to shoot will let her see. Besides, which will kick more, a light weight .38Spl snubby, or something with a bigger frame, shooting lower powered .45 rounds? An L or an N frame .44 Magnum running .44 Spl rounds would be a better and more controlable bet.

.38 Spl's are considered the minimum level in combat calibers for a reason, because they ARE.

My first weapon was a Commander 1911. By brother's first weapon was a high capacity 1911. Both in .45ACP. Both get fed a diet of Cor Bon 200grain +P rounds. My 60+ year old mother shoots them well, even with the higher powered rounds. Why? Because we didn't freak her out with tales of handcannoness. We told her what to expect and how to deal with it. The only other weapon she'd ever shot was her fathers .380ACP. After an afternoon of coaching she shoots damn well and can handle the 1911 in just about every situation I can think of.

I have already conceeded that there is a small role for rolly's as introduction weapons, but honestly if you are going to buy a weapon because you fear THAT MUCH for your life in the immediate future, surely you should also spend the immediate future learning how to look after yourself.

The first and most immediate thing the guy in the OP's story should have done is gotten her pepper spray or a tazer. Neither of those are, IMHO, as good as a deal of high velocity lead, but again, it is immediate and will bridge the gap before she can get her pistol. (Still no comments about the rifle/shotgun for home defence I see). Then get her to the instructor. Then get her a gun.

If she needs something RIGHT NOW, as you say, 10 days isn't soon enough.

You don't need to go to Gunsite to learn to use your autoloader proficiently. Conversely if you want the best out of your .38 you should attend advanced classes.

99% of what people say, when talking to women about their first handguns say 1) .38 Spl and 2) DA revolver, yet very very few subscribe to their own theory, or would tell this to a man. It is horribly short sighted and sexist.

Most people in gunshops having this same conversation also use the "limited training" tidbit. Yes revolvers are, on the surface and for the first ~6 shots easier to use, they still require training, and lots of it. Especially if you are talking about something like the CQB/fighting for retention. Especially against someone you have had feelings for. You NEED to get trained to drop the hammer.

One thing I have said to a couple of women in this same situation (my fiance being one) is they are playing catch up. The badguy, for what ever reason, has been doing his thing for years. You are now scrambling to get either to where he is, or hopefully, ahead of him. This will take dedication to your cause and training. It will also generally take a mindset change. Something most who've reached this stage, and the person in the original thread seem to have realized. They do need constant reasurance that they aren't paranoid or crazy.

On a personal note, my fiance left her abusive husband around the time we started hanging out. I'd known them for years, and I'd got a funny feeling from the guy, but never knew why. When I was taking her to the emergency room and then the police station to file assault charges was the first time I knew he was violent.

My fiance is very motivated. She's not taking everything I've shown her to heart, but she took lessons from some of the self defence instructors I introduced her to, but she took to the self defence lessons with aplomb. But it is through dedication you work up the learning curve.

Saying the rolly is good enough for anyone to use right now without training will generally mean they won't GET training. Ever. How many people do you know who buy a gun, load it up and stick it in a draw?

KBK
 
Bullpoopy. With proper training anyone can use a .45ACP with as much effect as anyone else. It's things like that statement "probably too much gun for you" that'll make it too much gun for her. Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad.

Yes, but the odds are very low that she'll get "proper training". A 1911 is a little complex for a beginner who doesn't have a good coach. with a .38, all she has to do is pull the trigger.
 
Outside of the military, I personally know 3 people who shot and killed violent criminals in self-defense. All 3 used revolvers. In one case, my cousin's girlfriend killed a would-be rapist with a single shot from a 5-round .38. In the 2nd, a friend killed a would be robber with 2 shots from a 5-round .38. in the 3rd, a cop friend killed one BG and wounded another with a total of 6 shots from a 6-round .357 loaded with .38 +P.
 
Corpral K, The 1911 isn't the only weapon that comes chambered in .45ACP. But Like I said, I agree with the pull the trigger ease of a revolver, but they will still need to experience the recoil, and honestly the .45 ACP doesn't recoil that much.

From a light weight J frame? Felt recoil will be able the same, if not sharper than a decent .45.

I see your second post there. That is interesting. I know more people who have used auto loaders, both in civvie street and in LE applications. Most people I know with revolvers are stick them in the drawer type. I'm also willing to bet percentage wise there are more people with sock drawer revolvers than those who carry them.
 
True, but telling someone right out that the .45 is out of their league also means they won't want to shoot a rolly in .45. In the hands of a beginner any weapon is going to feel unfamiliar, so they are gonna have to get taught how to use it. Recoil is recoil.
A .45 probably isn't the best for a new shooter. I think a subcompact 9mm has enough recoil already, though I suppose if you can carry a bigger one it could have less recoil. It won't have as much stopping power, of course.

I'm also willing to bet percentage wise there are more people with sock drawer revolvers than those who carry them.
That's probably true, however, a person with a CCW will probably have more experiance shooting and practice more.
 
I know three people that would like to buy a handgun for self and home defense. All three are able bodied and intelligent men. I am steering one of them towards a revolver and the other two towards autos. Why? Because that seemed to be the right fit for each of them.

The one knows that getting a gun is the smart thing to do but he has a lot of uncertainty about guns in general. I am hoping to take him to the range let him try several revolvers and autos. If he develops more comfort with the autos, then I may change my recommendation.

The other two have actually done some shooting and are more familiar with autos. I will always point out the advantages and disadvantages of both types. But I make recommedations based on the person that will be using it.

Keep it simple.
 
A weapon is a personal choice. That said, if I could only own one handgun for self defense the .45 Auto would be my only choice. It hits hard, it has reasonable recoil and it is very accurate, what else do you need. Oh by the way, My little wife of 110 lbs shoots my .45 Auto very well.
 
Regardless of what caliber the lady gets. Recomendation for a firearm to protect is a good recomendation. All other comments are just personal opinion. Including my own.

Say like my wife asked me what to use. I let her shoot a .45 XD, .40 XD, 9mm XD 4" for the house gun. She choose the 9mm for more capacity. She will not have to reload after 10-13 rounds. She has 17. She knew that, and we got that for the house. I would have enjoyed a .45, but I don't think anyone who gets to decide the debate on the wrong end will say that they are glad we have a 9mm (if you get my drift).

Now for carry....
I explained to her that a wheel gun is just as good as an auto like we have at the house, but.... I cleared the gun, and double checked it. I then pushed the slide back about an 1/8" if that, and tried to fire the XD. It would not shoot.

I then cleared a 2" wheel gun. I stuck my hand to the barrel, and it turned and dropped the hammer (hidden hammer). She immediately understood where I was going. What if someone was raping her. She could not use the auto in a really close situation. The auto has a grip safety, slide has to be in place, etc.
With the revolver you can use your pinky to fire the gun.

There are situations that larger guns are preferred, but having a gun when you need a gun is the most preferred..

The advantage of a revolver is always falling short to the .45, and I don't get it.
 
Corpral K, The 1911 isn't the only weapon that comes chambered in .45ACP. But Like I said, I agree with the pull the trigger ease of a revolver, but they will still need to experience the recoil, and honestly the .45 ACP doesn't recoil that much.

No doubt. Personally, I have had a Glock 21 .45 as my go-to weapon for years. My petite wife can shoot it very accurately. For the young lady in the article, reality is such that she probably won't get a .45 ACP or .357 mag revolver and may or may not get a striker-fired .45 (or even a .40) like a Glock, XD, etc. Since she didn't come into the store with a shooting mentor (father, mother, brother, etc) she likely doesn't have such a person in her life.

If I was selling her a weapon, I'd recommend a .38SPL, but that's just me. :cool:
 
My wife does not have the finger strength to pull the trigger on a MA compliant Sig 220. She had a very hard time with a revolver we tried in the store. She CAN rack the slide on a full size 1911 though, and enjoys shooting hers. I put in an aftermarket trigger which I filed down to make it even shorter for her smaller hands.
 
I consider myself a fairly manly man, and I carry a .357 most of the time, .38 otherwise. I grew up with revolvers, like 'em a lot, and don't see a need for more than 6 rounds.

My experience teaching women to shoot (25 or so over the past 10 years) is that they like revolvers, too. I typically have a Browning HP available for them to shoot, and they try it once and go back to the revolvers. They like the simplicity, the ease of loading and operation, and the flexibility of grip selection. Believe it or not, many of them tell me that a semi-auto looks more "sinister" than a revolver. One gal had a Colt D model from her late husband, she said it reminded her of him. Whatever.

I don't recommend the lightweight snubbies, because of the recoil. I steer them toward a 5-shot steel J-frame with a 3 or 4 inch barrel. We try on half a dozen grips until we find the ones that really fit her hands. If they happen to be pink, so much the better. Crimson Trace makes pink ones now.

LOML won't shoot any of my semi's because her first husband was a cop and his Glock dumped hot brass down her shirt. He couldn't ever get her to shoot with him again because of that one bad experience. Hard to do that with a wheelgun.

Anyway, my point is that a "never-shot-a-gun-before" woman armed with a revolver is better off than being unarmed. If she chooses to move on to a semi-auto, that's cool with me, but starting her out with a revolver makes sense.

Parker
 
I see, again, that the 'little woman' gets offered the .38 Spl wheelgun, 'cos that big old nasty .45ACP is a man's gun.

Bullpoopy. With proper training anyone can use a .45ACP with as much effect as anyone else. It's things like that statement "probably too much gun for you" that'll make it too much gun for her. Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad.

Not only that, but in reality, the .45 1911 jumps much less in the hand than a snubbie .38 with +Ps - it's actually easier/more pleasant to shoot than the snubbie. And that's true with an all-steel snubbie, let alone a lightweight! Makes no difference whether you're concave or convex 'twixt the legs.

Wish this would be move to General or Activism so more people could see it. Good story!
 
My first handgun was a SIG P220...bought sight unseen. The operation of the weapon wasn't anything 30 minutes with the instruction manual and the gun couldn't solve. I find the whole notion that a semi-automatic handgun is "too complicated" rather silly.

As for "bad experiences": either someone is serious or they are not. If they take this seriously, then they'll take the necessary steps to become proficient. The other 99% will just turn shooting into a hobby or sport they reserve for Thursday night or weekends. That's the way of the world; rampaging martians won't change it (though I suspect there would be a run on ammo).
 
I'll be brief.

A mouse will fight when cornered. Even a Bully will get beat up badly when he or she corners the wrong "bullee"

I had a bully to deal with for a very long time. For a very long time I was confined by school rules not to fight this bully. But one day I made sure that this bully charged to attack me in full view of the school and staff.

Then I beat bully proper and it required three adults to pry me loose from my "Prey"

That bully never touched me or anyone ever again.

Violence when applied properly can be most satisfying, but it is not God's way to go seek violence. Dont worry, it will come to you sooner or later in some form.

Oh, Admin suspended said bully for two weeks and patched him up for wounds. Kept me isolated for a few periods until school calmed down. Every one that day learned something. Mouse will fight and win if pushed far enough.

That is School stuff.


Real life? Who you gonna call? Not the LEO's who are more than 7 minutes away, not the doctor for a appointment, not your family unless you all lived together somehow. It will be on you. And only you.

Even then, there are some who will not fight and are ok with it even though others may not be.
 
There are some skills you need to use with an autoloader that a revolver doesn't need. But a revolver has it's own issues.

While an auto might not fire too easily out of battery (you should hope) there are pistol that don't have this problem. The Beretta 92 with it's fixed barrel is one that springs to mind. The Beretta is good at contact shots. But I will grant you it is a big assed gun.

A revolver won't fire if you are holding the cylinder. It won't do anything. There are drawbacks to every weapon system you could name.

I'm not saying don't get a gun. I'm saying in that 10 day bridging period you need something else, because you simply don't have the luxury of getting your pistol.

I'd probably also go with a revolver, especially if I thought the she's likely to be a sock drawer type. I'm just saying dismissing a whole section of the firearm market because she's a woman is a little short sighted.

Ohm made a good point, DA revolvers have heavy trigger pulls. While this isn't always an issue, if it is too heavy she might not be able to pull off a shot.

I'd honestly let her to handle everything in the shop. And if i did steer her towards a revolver it wouldn't be a .38Spl J frame. See above.

My fiance shoots my 1911 very well, but doesn't like the grip. She shoots my Glock 26 getter than I ever did, and the likes the .22. She's shot a wide variety of weapons. She's damn good with a shotgun. She doesn't want a revolver. She doesn't like shooting them.

Revolvers aren't a cover all.

KBK
 
I'm just saying dismissing a whole section of the firearm market because she's a woman is a little short sighted

Depends on what kind of woman she is. Or man for that matter.
 
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