1.5F swiss

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  1. Appalachiannative

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    As of this moment graf has this in stock. I've wanted to give swiss a try but the manual for my .50 flintlock rifle says 2 or 3 F in the chamber. What could be the harm in using this 1.5F? Dangerous or just poor performance? I think this granulation is usually used for shotshells or metallic cartridges
     
  2. hawg

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    Lesser performance. It may not be enough to notice between 1.5 and 2F but probably would be noticeable from 3f.
     
  3. Appalachiannative

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    Dang oh well. Glad I asked before I bought any. Went ahead and got 4 lbs of schuetzen. 2 of 2F and 2 3F because I haven't decided which does better in my rifle
     
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    what was the price of a pound of powder before CoolFlu and the Plandemic?

    primer was $34/1,000
    smokeless was $20-$30(top end) a bottle
     
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    still research powder and saving $$$ before buying. Will just buy 10 or 20 pounds at one time
     
  6. brewer12345

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    I use oe 1.5f in my 58s and it works very well. Might take an extra 5 or 10 grains compared to the 2f to hit the same sweet spot. Perhaps a bit course for a 50.
     
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    Depended on the powder. I paid 18 for graf's house brand, low to mid 20s for olde eynesford. Swiss was probably high 20s. Bought caps for 50/1000.
     
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  8. hawg

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    The last Swiss I bought was 157.00 for five pounds mixed.
     
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    Your showing your age here on that one...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  10. hawg

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    I didn't think it was that long ago. GEEZ maybe it was.
     
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  12. Appalachiannative

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    This makes me want a bigger gun ha ha ha. Seems like the bigger granulated powders stay in stock better
     
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    It wasn't THAT long ago. Maybe it was 10 tho. Sheesh!!!
     
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    1.5 Swiss is probably at least equal to 2f GOEX. I wouldn’t be surprised if it would provide performance equal to 3f GOEX. Cleaner to boot…
     
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    Men always want a bigger gun.
     
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    I don't know if these are current but they are on his page. They do have Cannon in stock and waiting on a call back. They only sell 25 pound boxes and you need to fill out and mail in their buyers fourm.

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    Back to the OP, yes, you can use 1.5f in your flintlock. You'll probably have to use a bit more (by volume) to get the same performance. When using 2 or 3f, there's not too much difference between them other than 2f makes a tad more fouling and you'll also have to use a bit more to equal 3f performance. I shoot 58cal muskets in competition and in my experimentation to optimize my load, I found 3f to foul less across the board than the more coarse grain powders and to use less by volume as well.
     
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  18. Appalachiannative

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    I just wanted to try out some swiss powder and this was the only granulation in stock. Ive used 2 and 3 in my rifle and you know I never have done enough comparison to notice what you're talking about. I just know I get about the same accuracy either way and I usually use 70 grains of 3 F or 80 grains of 2F. So far I've only used this gun for targets around the house. I definitely prefer the 3 F for my revolver as it pours out of a clam shell flask better but of course that's a whole different ball game. Thanks for the info
     
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    I just switched my Jeager from 2fg Swiss to 1.5g Swiss. I started out using 120 grains of the 1.5fg instead of my usual 110 grains of 2fg, but for some reason, in my rifle, I could not tell the difference between the two, other than 110 grains of the 1.5fg gave better accuracy than 120 grains of it. 110 grains seems to be the limit for good accuracy in my rifle, regardless of granulation. It is of course a .62 and in theory better suited to a courser grained powder than a .50". Anyhow, in the Jeager, I can detect no difference between 2fg and 1.5fg with the same powder charge. What I do like is that the 1.5fg packs up against the touch-hole better with no tendency to dribble out of it, which is the reason I switched.
     
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  20. paul harm

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    You certainly not going to hurt anything. As you said in a latter post, you've used 2 and 3F in the same guns. A little less 3f will give the same results as 2f. I've found, at least in my guns , the 3F is a bit easier to clean up, the 2F tighter groups. This is in guns 50 cal and larger. In 12ga loads it's 82grs of 2F with 1 1/8oz of shot. 70 grs of 3F will also work and give me 100 shells per pound, where as the 82 gr load will only give 85 shells. Big difference.
     
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