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10/22 Liberty Training Rifle incl. Pics

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Al LaVodka, Jul 10, 2010.

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  1. Al LaVodka

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    As many know, Project Appleseed is a national program to train people in the tradition of basic rifle marksmanship. The “Liberty Training Rifle” developed as a cheaper-shooting alternative to centerfires and is based on the Ruger 10/22.

    http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com/2008/02/liberty-training-rifle.html

    For fun I decided to sign up for two days of an Appleseed class this Fall. It was also an excuse to find my old 10/22 and modify it for the class which is what I've done here. I've added the Tech-Sights that make the picture look like everything from the Garand to the M-4 (which is very easy but was a real chore for me personally because of what was previously mounted and stuck -- I had to drill parts off!). I also added a Buffer Technologies Bolt Buffer.

    Everything else I already had including an extended mag release, ventilated handguard, flash-hider/muzzle-break, 50-rnd. mag., swivel studs and Quick-Detachable sling swivels (1"), quality adjustable sling (may switch to wider swivels and a more serious loop sling before I go)... Click pics below!

    I've shown you mine, now let's see yours!

    Al
     

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  2. scottishclaymore

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    I just finished building one of these. I'll get some pics taken tomorrow and put them up there. I'll be at the Davilla, TX shoot in case anyone else is going.
     
  3. scottishclaymore

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    Bah. Couldn't wait.

    Here is my LTR and accompanying gear.

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    Started with a stainless model Ruger 10/22. Added Tech Sights, an M1 Carbine-style stock designed for the Ruger 10/22, and a surplus M1 Carbine sling. Five 10-round magazines, two 25-round magazines. Also have a .22 caliber boresnake. This, along with a rag, a can of solvent, a can of lubricant, a pen, a small journal-type notebook, eye & ear protection, multitool, and Tilly hat, and 500 rounds of CCI Mini-Mags, make up my appleseed gear.

    Also, I have a Yugo SKS that I have recently outfitted with tech sights. They have improved my groupings with it by 200% easily. I'll be taking it along as well.
     
  4. MikePaiN

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    :neener: Scott, I was going to build the exact same rifle for LTR(too match my real M1 Carbine) but in the end I figured it was to expensive a venture and went the cheaper route with a Marlin 795

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  5. scottishclaymore

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    Mike,

    Nothing wrong with the Marlin at all. :)

    That said, I must say the feel of the pseudo-M1 is very, very nice. I will say I didn't notice the expense since I've been purchasing each component over the course of about 6 months. I love it like it is, and my dad liked it so much I built him the same setup for Father's day.
     
  6. ScratchnDent

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    I looove those Tech-sights.

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  7. Trebor

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    What can you do to improve the 10/22 accuracy with that pseudo-Carbine stock?

    I like the M-1 Carbine look, but I'd only get one if you can still do some accuracy tweaks to the gun with that stock installed.
     
  8. scottishclaymore

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    I don't see why you couldn't. The only functional difference I can see between it and the regular stock is the wooden handguard over the top of the barrel. What kind of accuracy tweaks did you have in mind?
     
  9. winknplink

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    Just got the sights on mine and got them dialed-in yesterday. Still pondering stock/trigger upgrades. Trying to make the Appleseed shoot in southern IN next month.

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  10. CraigC
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    Best thing you can do for a stock carbine that you plan on using with iron sights is to have the barrel set back and rechambered. Makes a world of difference. Though you 'may' have to still free float it to get the best results. I went a different route with a Clark midweight barrel. This one shoots well under a half inch at 50yds and 3/4"@100yds with Wolf MT. Shot a best score of 242 with it back in April, with Federal bulk ammo.

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  11. bigfatdave

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    Improved ergonomics, mostly. The tech-sights are adding most of the improvement, plus the sling, with the stock a distant third.

    I built mine because a) .30 carbine ammo was a bit too expensive for plinking, b) My M1 carbine is a relic I don't want to abuse, and c) I wanted a trainer I could shoot all day for $20.

    "accuracy improvement" is all great, but I'm not going to be shooting the real thing or the trainer off of a bench, I'm going to do appleseed with them and punch targets (and maybe small game) with them.
     
  12. Hatterasguy

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    I'm going to throw a set of those sights and a sling on my 10/22 for the Appleseed. If I go back next year I may through a trigger pack into it.

    I'm not 100% on shooting the 10/22 though, I may bring it as a backup and shoot my Sig or K31 insted. If I can get a decent set of iron sights for the Sig its going.
     
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    I am also going to an appleseed this October. I was planning on building a training rifle like the ones above, but I have recently changed my mind and I am looking towards the M&P 15-22. What do you think about that?
     
  14. winknplink

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    I was going to use an AR, but I have trouble getting prone with a 30-round magazine (short arms, I reckon). By the time I paid for 3-4 20-rounders, I could have purchased the tech sites for the 10/22 and been money ahead (not including ammo savings). So I just went that way.

    I don't know of a short mag for the M&P 15-22, there may very well be one, IDK, but if you can get prone with the mags you have, I'd say go for it. From what I have read about selecting an Appleseed rifle, "people" say the 15-22 is more accurate 'right out of the box', but that the 10/22 shows more potential for accuracy with some work after purchase. Again, not my personal experience, just what I have read.
     
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    I believe you are refering to a thread I started a few days ago where I asked about the accuracy of both rifles. That was one of the factors for me deciding to go with the M&P.
     
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    Winknplink, curious, you said you are going to an appleseed in southern IN, and not one in KY. I know there are plenty in KY, any reason for the one you chose?
     
  17. winknplink

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    The event in Evansville is practically in my backyard.
     
  18. gb0399

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    thats a pretty good reason
     
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  20. Nikdfish

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    I did one a while back based on a SS Wal-Mart Special. Tech sights, extended mag release & sling w/ quik detach swivels. The long barrel on the special works well with iron sights...

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  21. winknplink

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    Yeah, I can only imagine how clean the sight picture is with the 20" bbl.
     
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    Do you have to use a military style aperture or would a Williams peep sight conversion like this work as well?

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    Sorry about the quality but you can barely see the sight at the rear. It also has a raised fiber optic in front so I could get a more comfortable cheek weld.
     
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    You can use any sight set you like at an Appleseed, they aren't picky about gear!
     
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    It will work fine but you may find the fiber optic front sight to be a little less suited to fine work than a black post.


    Actually it's 22", even better!
     
  25. Nikdfish

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    Pretty similar to the sight radius on my M1 ...

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