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NYC allows only 2 on a unrestricted permit.
Retired LEO's can have eight, and can get an additional premise permit for any other guns owned by the retiree. (with no limit)
All guns are listed on the back of the license.
Being a gun bug in N.Y.C. is not an easy thing.
 
Matthew Temkin said:
NYC allows only 2 on a unrestricted permit.
Retired LEO's can have eight, and can get an additional premise permit for any other guns owned by the retiree. (with no limit)
All guns are listed on the back of the license.
Being a gun bug in N.Y.C. is not an easy thing.
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Is it true there are only ~3000 unrestricted permits in the hands of common citizens in NYC? (not LEOs, judges, politicians and rich connected people) I lived in NYC for close to 50 years and never knew anyone outside of law enforcement who legally carried. A permit for home yes, unrestricted carry permit no...
 
Unrestricted carry permit's I bet go only go the rich.

At least one friend of mine, a 19 year vet of the NYPD here in Texas, he said he never encountered anyone who had a permit to carry in his whole time in the NYPD.

They are that few.

No, I doubt ordinary people have, to the NYPD, any 'reason' for a unrestricted carry permit. Self defense is not a reason up there in Yankee land.

Deaf
 
Do you have the car you drive listed on your driver's license too.

California......:banghead:

What else will The Feurer Feinstein think up?
 
Boy I live in IN and got my life time permit for 100.00 that was 6 years ago.Good for all guns. We also have a gun range 20 miles from my home that has a 25 Yd range that set 3 R or L hand under cover all of them are that way 50 Yd 100 Yd 200 Yd the 25 50 100 have concrete walks all have replaceable back stops to staple your targets on. THIS IS FREE to all IN residents.
 
Is it true there are only ~3000 unrestricted permits in the hands of common citizens in NYC? (not LEOs, judges, politicians and rich connected people) I lived in NYC for close to 50 years and never knew anyone outside of law enforcement who legally carried. A permit for home yes, unrestricted carry permit no...
Unrestricted for the typical taxpayer is nearly impossible.
The bulk go to retired police, the well connected, gun custodians of ranges/security companies.
Premise permits are available to those with the time and patience to jump through hoops to apply.
And that permit is only good for gun ranges within the 5 Boros--or hunting with a hunting authorization card from the N.Y.P.D.
Not much hope here--long guns require a license and all long guns--regardless of action--are reduced to a five round magazine capacity
And still the politicians are screaming for more gun control.
We need a court decision that stops individual states making up their own gun laws that violate the constitution.
What would happen to a state that made it nearly impossible for the typical citizen to vote?
 
We don't list out pistols in Ky. Were a gun friendly state and I can carry as many as I want at one time. Can have hi cap mags and AR -15's . Also no registration other than 4473 when buying.
 
Bobson said:
You would be well served to redirect your frustration toward the politicians who made the laws, rather than those who enjoy their "privileged class" status.
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Hmmm...I'd say the politicians are part of the privileged class.
 
Quiet said:
CA laws requires the make, model, caliber and serial number of all handguns authorized to be carried to be printed on the CA LTC permit. [PC 26175(i)]

It's not legal to carry handguns not listed on one's permit or that deviate from what's listed on the permit (example caliber conversions).

Due to the "may issue" CCW issuance system...
CA issuing agencies also have "underground" regulations/restrictions that they have regarding handgun listing on the permits they issue because they need to approve what gets listed on the permit.
Examples...
1. The amount of handguns listed on the permit. Because CA's standardized CCW application only has space to list three handguns, most issuing agencies limits the amount of handguns to three, even though there is no state laws that regulates it (no maximum limit per state laws).
2. Caliber restrictions. Some issuing agencies utilize a minimum and maximum caliber restriction on what handgun gets listed on the permit.
3. Types of handguns. Some issuing agencies do not approve certain types of handguns because they feel they are impractical or not safe.
4. No modifications/alterations. Some issuing agencies will not approve handguns that have been modified (trigger work, laser sights, etc.), which is the same standard they hold their LEOs to.
5. Needs to be registered. Some issuing agencies will not approve handguns that are not registered to the person applying for the permit.



Penal Code 26175
(i) Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and business address, the licensee's age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated.
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Yes, But registeration in CA is a seperate thing done with the State DOJ, typically on purchase, or when one moves to the state, or voluntarily if you have a handgun that you owned prior to the requirement upon purchase.
I am very aware of CA CCW situation. Listing the guns on the permit, while many of us would consider it a type of registration, it is not legally considered such, and not what was being talked about.
 
HOOfan_1 said:
gotta love the privileged classes

do they have rights of prima nocta as well??
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CA's "may issue" CCW issuance system was created in 1924.

When it was made into law, the intent was to insure minorities could not carry a concealed firearm for protection.

Over the decades, it has been morphed to insure that only the "right people" are granted permits. "right people" being people of favorable social/economic/political class to those of the issuing agency.

Over the last decade...
In the rural counties, it has further morphed to be near "shall issue". Meaning as long as an applicant is a non-prohibited person of "good moral character", then they will get issued a permit.
In the urban counties, it continues to operate to insure only the "right people" get permits.
 
Steve C said:
Listing the guns you are allowed to carry on your CCW permit is like having to list the vehicles you will be allowed to drive on your drivers license.

Bureaucratic nonsense.
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Well, I'd have to agree.

Aside from opposing such limitations on principle, I honestly don't see what advantage law enforcement or government gains from limiting such a permit to 10 guns - I don't see the logic of it. A permit that would would limit it to two guns almost seems more logical (though, again, I personally wouldn't share that logic.)

I'm guessing the average handgun owner doesn't even own 10 guns. (And no, those of us on this board probably don't typify the AVERAGE handgun owner! :) :) )
 
Here in Colorado, no mention of which handgun is being concealed, caliber, or any other info required. You receive the permit, you're on your way. I was told the permits would be received "In 90 days, or there abouts". I gave the sheriff the paperwork on Oct 15, a Tue. , the next week, a Wed. I had it in hand. You do have to shoot at a range to prove your competency though, no big deal.
 
788Ham said:
Here in Colorado, no mention of which handgun is being concealed, caliber, or any other info required. You receive the permit, you're on your way. I was told the permits would be received "In 90 days, or there abouts". I gave the sheriff the paperwork on Oct 15, a Tue. , the next week, a Wed. I had it in hand. You do have to shoot at a range to prove your competency though, no big deal.
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Actually the range qualification has been removed, because some sheriffs were abusing it in order to not issue. Now you just have to complete the NRA basic pistol class. No range qual required.
 
Quiet said:
CA's "may issue" CCW issuance system was created in 1924.

When it was made into law, the intent was to insure minorities could not carry a concealed firearm for protection.

Over the decades, it has been morphed to insure that only the "right people" are granted permits. "right people" being people of favorable social/economic/political class to those of the issuing agency.

Over the last decade...
In the rural counties, it has further morphed to be near "shall issue". Meaning as long as an applicant is a non-prohibited person of "good moral character", then they will get issued a permit.
In the urban counties, it continues to operate to insure only the "right people" get permits.
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And in some areas, there are no "right people". (San Francisco)
 
gbran said:
Took my 4 hour ccw renewal class today here in Kern County CA. Instructor said the county had increased the number of handguns we could list on the permit from 3 to 10. The front of the permit has room for 3 and the additional guns will be printed on the back. This is a pleasant shocker.

I will list 10 guns on my permit. I have 14, so I've got choices to make.
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Thanks for the heads-up! I'll be there tomorrow, adding seven more to my permit - two I want to carry, and five I just might.
 
Teachu2 said:
Thanks for the heads-up! I'll be there tomorrow, adding seven more to my permit - two I want to carry, and five I just might.
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Take full advantage. Having the guns on the permit means it's easier to transport them to the range. No need for the whole locked container nonsense.
 
Lucky Derby said:
And in some areas, there are no "right people". (San Francisco)
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There are always "right people". :scrutiny:
(determined by who you know, how much money you are worth, who you donate money to and the color of your skin)

[strike](last year of available data) In 2011, San Francisco issued 3 permits.[/strike] :cuss:
CGF just released updated data today.
For 2013...
San Francisco had 2 active permits issued to civilians.
 
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The Calguns Foundation (CGF) and Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) have several lawsuits (Richards v Prieto and Peruta v San Diego) pending in the Federal court system challenging CA's "may issue" CCW issuance system.

Keep in mind that legally, CA did not have a "right to bear arms" until 2010, when SCOTUS ruled the Second Amendment was incorporated and applied to local governments (state/county/city).
 
Listing the guns you will carry? In michigan you can carry any amount of guns you want and they don't even need to be yours. When my buddy who open carries (has no concealed weapons permit) carries, I take possesion of it before getting into a vehicle so there is no need for him to lock it in the trunk.
 
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