10 "Potentially" Unknown Firearms Related Facts and/or Laws you Should be aware of…

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  1. 45CalPal

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    As-Is all knowledge is open to Interpretation of opinion. to say that "if" the info was included you would have responded differently, means nothing as people will assume and form thier own opinions.

    The info was offered as a friendly informative offering of what was "at some point" in the last x amount of time true and current, no where in the OP was it ever stated that it was all "current fact" as many have Perceived or assumed it to be.
     
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    amen brother!
     
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    NC will not automatically restore a felon's firearm rights. Only someone with a non violent felony conviction can petition the court to get their rights restored and they will only consider non violent felons who have only one non violent felony conviction. No automatic restoration.

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    The Felony Firearms Act has a Restoration of Firearm Rights provision. It allows a North Carolina resident with one single nonviolent felony conviction to petition in district court for the restoration of their right to possess a firearm, if they had their civil right restored after serving their sentence at least 20 years ago. Until 2004 this provision allowed the restoration of firearm rights after only five (5) years. This massive change in law created the obligation for many individuals with older felony convictions to turn in guns they had since been legally possessing until the 20 year mark passes.

    A person’s civil rights cannot be restored until they have completed all terms of their sentence. This includes fines, restitution and supervised release.
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    https://www.arnoldsmithlaw.com/possession-of-a-firearm-by-a-felon.html
     
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    It's still not accurate in regards to #10 & CA.

    Training has never been a requirement to buy a gun in CA.


    Eta, its a bit squirmy, imo, to blame the entire audience.
     
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    The only waiting period for handguns in Minnesota is a) you need a carry permit or “permit to purchase”, once you have one, no waiting and b) the Federal check which can take from 15 minutes to five days. I am not sure how many of the other facts are actually “factoids,” but I assume at least some.
     
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    Please be careful in such assertions.

    NICS is nothing but a list. The list was generated by various States providing lists of Prohibited Persons.

    It is not a compilation of actual "background checks"--it's just a list of the Prohibited. It's also not entirely complete as there several States which have contributed no information to NICS. There are 14 States which have never provided mental health disqualifications. When the list was created, no one much thought about needing to audit the list for typos, or inaccurate information. There's no provision for ensuring that all State information is actually in NICS.

    Now, when a call is made to NICS (in all but POC States), that call gets a number and a result, which are recorded on the 4473. At the phone operator end of the transaction, that data is required to expire in 24 hours. (This is as much data management as legal requirement.)

    Now, 4473 records are to be kept by the FFL for 20 years. If the FFL folds or closes, all extant records go to BATFE Dead Records storage, which is a disorganized warehouse facility. (Note that the records are stored "as is" including those that have been in floods, fires, or damaged by vermin.)
     
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    Firearm safety is the law in California. ... Pursuant to Penal Code section 26840, any person who acquires a firearm must have a Firearm Safety Certificate (FSC), unless they are statutorily exempt from the FSC requirement.


    For the record.....the FSC is a form of training
     
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    Note, too, that, while a State can restore the rights of a Felon; 18 USC 922 still applies federally. And funds for Federal restoration of Rights are specifically blocked by legislation.
     
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    No. Its not training in any shape or form.

    It's a test that requires no training, course work, or class time in order to take.

    Have you lived in CA & bought a gun in CA? Do you have any 1st hand knowledge of what's entailed?
     
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    Had that information been included to begin with maybe people would not have been so confused. You threw together a bunch of random "stats" with no citation or reference and expect people to know where it came from. That is the ridiculous part.
     
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    That has zero to do with gun possession in a state. You can not use hunting permits even as an flawed approximation.
     
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    4473 forms required to be kept by the FFL are not NICS. They're two different things.

    NICS is the electronic background check system and is restricted as I explained.
     
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    I hear the word registered quite a lot concerning firearms. Too many people assume when the fill out a 4473 that the gun is automatically registered. People that you would think would know that isn't true.
     
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    You knowingly dished out bad info with no context?
     
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    The statement about Texas is hooey. Texas does not maintain a registry of forearms in the state and neither does the federal government.
     
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    Its been a while... Before I could walk out with my handgun, the dealer demonstrated and required me to demonstrate that I could unload, lock, and unlock my firearm without sweeping anyone. There may have been a couple other things required, but I do not remember anything more. This was in addition to getting a handgun safety certificate.

    Happy to live in KY now...
     
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    Probably from watching too many episodes of NCIS:Enid or the like.

    Under NFA '34, the Federal Government has a Registry of all the Title II arms that said Act defines. Said Registry is a mess. It was never designed for Auditing, and is only poorly maintained. It contains many known "wrong" serial numbers (and poorly transcribed foreign characters, especially Cyrillic ones).

    And, in fairness, there was a middling-notorious cbs news "study" which cataloged gun ownership per State that came out about 15 years ago. They based their numbers solely on the NFA Registry, which a flawed dataset to start from, just from the patchwork of State laws on NFA arms.

    That study, without proper context , lurks out there in the "forever" of the internet, to trip up the unwary researcher.
     
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    Your OP said "registered weapons." No such thing, at least in Texas.

    There is no connection between hunting permits and the number of weapons owned. Heck, I've never had a hunting permit in my life yet I own lots of guns. I even lived in Texas until I was 25.

    And remember the oft-used phrase, "the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting."
     
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    There IS a requirement that the buyer perform a safe handling demonstration.

    The affidavit that both the buyer and dealer are required by CA to sign has no verbiage to indicate the dealer did anything more than supervise the buyers demonstration.
     
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    This fixation on gun "registration" comes from watching too many TV detective shows. The Form 4473 is transactional -- it's about the first sale from a dealer to an individual. What becomes of the gun after that is anybody's guess.

    Of all people, the participants on this board should know better.
     
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    o_O
     
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    FBI NICS transactions that result in a "Proceed" are deleted at the end of the NICS business day. (not 24 hours)
    Delayed transactions whose status changes to proceed are deleted at the end of that busibess day.
    Denied transactions are kept permanently.
     
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