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10 things every Gunnie should be able to do.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Blackfork, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. Blackfork

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    Interesting list in Popular Mechanics, but this is a GUN forum.

    1. Safely handle any firearm.
    2. Be able to field strip and clean common guns.
    3. Be able to load and clear any common firearm.
    4. Have shot in competition.
    5. Hunted and killed a game animal with a firearm.
    6. Successfully navigate the purchase of a firearm.
    7. Reload ammuntion.
    8. Be able to zero iron and scope sights.
    9. Competantly shoot a pistol or rifle with either hand.
    10. ?
     
  2. 50 Shooter

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    Can't say that I agree with 4, 5, 7 & 9.

    Some people can't or don't want to compete, others don't want or feel the need to hunt, some don't have the room or time to reload and some don't feel the need to be able to shoot using either/both hands.

    Just my opinion but I'm sure others will feel the same, I've done all but #5. Hopefully some day I will be able to say that I've done #5, would like to take a pig with my .454.
     
  3. Black Adder LXX

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    10 : Shoot skeet or trap??? I don't know but I sure want to try it one day...
     
  4. Mosey

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    #10. Fire accurately from field positions.

    #10(a). Keep mouth shut when the person at the firing position (or gun counter)next to you has a firearm that you don't like.
     
  5. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Was that list actually in Popular Mechanics?

    I'm not sure I agree that hunting, reloading, or competing are absolute musts.
     
  6. Bazooka Joe71

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    Haven't done #4 yet, and just started buying the supplies for #7.

    I agree with 50 shooter, except for #9
     
  7. rockstar.esq

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    #10 might address teaching / encouraging others to learn the first 9 by being a good role model!
     
  8. redneckrepairs

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    10 is absolutly to be able to tell your buddys/wife/hubby what a good deal you got on the newest gun and just why you desperately needed it enough to put off the new tires/ trip to the carribian / kids braces , ect..
     
  9. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Nope, the Popular Mechanics reference was in regards to this thread.

    The list seems to be what Blackfork thinks all gunnies should be able to do.

    I'd personally strike at least 4, 5, & 9.
     
  10. crebralfix

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    #9 is essential for self-defense, especially if you plan on moving while shooting.
     
  11. Mot45acp

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    "#10. Fire accurately from field positions."

    A big +1 That I am currently working on.
     
  12. Samuraigg

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    1. Safely handle any firearm.

    EVERYONE should know how to do this, not just Gunnies and gun owners.

    2. Be able to field strip and clean common guns.

    Agreed

    3. Be able to load and clear any common firearm.

    Agreed

    4. Have shot in competition.

    Disagree with this. I have no interest in shooting competition. Does this make me less of a gunnie?

    5. Hunted and killed a game animal with a firearm.

    Also Disagree. See number 4

    6. Successfully navigate the purchase of a firearm.

    Definitely. Got a lot of practice this past summer. ;)

    7. Reload ammuntion.

    Semi agree with this. Something I want to learn how to do and do regularly in the near future.

    8. Be able to zero iron and scope sights.

    Sure

    9. Competantly shoot a pistol or rifle with either hand.

    Rifle I don't know, but I could see learning how to shoot a pistol in your off hand as being very valuable. Imagine an emergency situation where your dominant hand was incapacitated.
     
  13. 2RCO

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    10.Not make all other Gunnies look bad by being a piece of work his or herself. Examples of what not to do: The gentleman who fired off the rounds in a Wally world parking lot, Mall Ninjas, CCWers that wear badges / brandish their weapon for no reason, those who have SHTF plans that involve weekly tactical Force on Force exercises with their closest parent's basement living, unmarried, un or underemployed friends.
     
  14. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    So, are you saying that you have to be trained in self-defense to be a gunnie? Just like it's not all about hunting, it's not all about defensive or combat skills either.
     
  15. Nolo

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    Let me revise this list:
    1. Obey the four rules of safety in ANY situation, with ANY firearm.
    2. Understand the mechanics and physics of firearms.
    3. Be able to handle, load, field-strip, clean (with and without proper tools), and store common firearms properly.
    4. Use the proper ammunition in your firearms as well as recognize the difference between similar but different (common) calibers, such as .308 Winchester & 7.62 NATO, .223 Remington & 5.56 NATO, .38 Special & .357 Magnum, etc.
    5. Know and be able to shoot competently in the three basic shooting positions: prone, kneeling and standing.
    6. Know how to clear and prepare a shooting range (this may seem unimportant, but it is quite pertinent to knowing what is behind your target area, and it's also quite simple to learn).
    7. Be able to understand range instructions at the range(s) you attend (yes, I know this will vary from range to range; there are several ranges that don't agree between the "red" and "green" range commands, hence why it is important to know what the commands mean at your range).
    8. Be able to teach proper firearm rules and range safety to a new shooter, as well as be able to instruct a new shooter in proper shooting technique(s).
    9. Understand with reasonable depth the laws governing firearms in your state/country.
    10. Know the pressure limit for all your firearms (this is a must for handloaders and experimenters).
     
  16. 2TransAms

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    Gotta disagree with 4 and 5...especially 5. I have no problem with hunting,I just don't do it myself,nor do I need to. All my meat comes from farmers and other hunters. I know lots of hunters,I just never got into it. Bambi-killers:neener:.

    I'll catch and fry the heck out of bluegill though.
     
  17. Blackfork

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    knocked list out on one edit..

    ...so I don't consider it carved in stone. Lots of good ideas coming along.

    I am good with hunting, (at least once), competiton, (at least once), and reloading, at least once. I think they help round out a shooter. If you haven't competed, reloaded or had a successful hunt, I suggest it. They all certainly changed the way I think about shooting for the better.

    I plan to take a deer with my AR and with my Bullseye .45 this year. (Both legal in Texas). I shot eight deer with seven different military rifles last year, and reloaded several of the rounds. Certainly is a different level of knowledge when you have done that. Last year I started competing with Garand, 1903, Carbine, Vintage military rifles and Bullseye pistol. I had to change the way I was doing some things to be successful. I couldn't have imagined that there WERE things to change unless I had been through that experience.

    I remember reading Jim Criccios requirements for being on one of his NYCPD stakeout teams. He only took officers who had successfully hunted big game, shot in competiton, and reloaded their own ammo. He said they made the best stake out guys, period. This list isn't for stake outs of course but I was thinking of Jim when I rolled it out.

    Maybe #10 should be: Be able to teach a novice how to use a firearm competently and safely.
     
  18. Nolo

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    I think the teaching should be higher on the list.
    But you already know what I think should be on the list. :evil:
     
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    I don't hunt or reload, but I can say yes to the rest of it. I'm not a great shot with my left hand only, but IDPA has forced me to practice and improve.
     
  20. MechAg94

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    When I think of shooting with the off hand for pistols, I believe it means you can pick up a gun with your off hand and hit a target at say 3 yards or even 7 yards. Not a great deal of distance or accuracy, just enough for self defense.

    I can do this or at least I have shot with either hand at the range. I am left handed, but have always shot right handed. My accuracy doesn't drop off much shooting left handed, it is just unfamiliar.
     
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    1. Have at least 5 pairs of eyes and a few sets of muffs with a backup box of foam plugs in your range bag
    2. Know the 4 rules. Know how to present them to others
    3. Own guns that are easy for new shooters to understand/shoot, and also that are lots of fun to shoot.
    4. Be a member of a private range that allows guests
    5. Be willing to take a new shooter to the range at any time
    6. At all times, present yourself as a responsible adult, especially to those who know that you have guns.
    7. Know as much as possible about gun laws, myths, issues and debate points, WITH facts to back it up. Be prepared for any spontaneous debate.
    8. Know how to handle "So. . . I was thinking about getting a gun. . ." from a friend out of the blue.
    9. Have an empty AK mag that spontaneously needs reloading when you have visitors over. (works well for the previous 2 :D)
    10. Have a relationship with a local shop. Know how to help a friend pick out their first gun without looking like a straw purchase.

    Each one teach one (or more).

    My tally:
    First-time shooters: 15
    Anti's converted: 1
    Fence sitters pulled over: 7
    New gun owners: 4
     
  22. cpttango30

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    What is a common firearm? A common firearm to me might not be to you?

    I drunk blind monkey can field strip a M-16 just as fast as forest gump.

    But what about tearing down a 1917 Rem Enfield? I have 1 and my dad has 4 of them. He also has a few others that might not be common place in your house but they sure were in our. Like a 243 target rifle with a Unertal scope and a 1.5" bull barrel.

    I could not field strip a glock because I do not own one nor do I plan on owning one any time soon. I will stick with my tested and proven 1911. So why do I need to know how to field strip it?

    I do know how to field strip a m-60 m249 m240 m-2 mk19mod4 does that count?

    #10 I think you should know your limits. Not everyone can shoot a 700 Nitro Express.

    #11 Do not talk smack to a long time gun owner/gun nut. I had a guy tell me his POS dasiy pellet gun could shoot .25" groups at 100 yards with his nifty scope on it. A plastic scope non the less. I think it was a 3x15mm if it was that big. I could barly see threw the darn thing.

    #12 Do not give a first time shooter the biggest damn gun you bring. :cuss: I have seen this ruin too many shooters for ever by either scaring them off or making them flinch real bad.

    #13 No one knows everything about guns. So do not try to act like you do.

    #14 Never brag about how many or how big your guns are.

    Edit: CNY them there are some of the best points on this thread.
     
  23. BADUNAME2

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    A lot of the list falls under the "duh, that's part of the definition of the word gunny," heading. However, I particularly agree with 4, 5, 7, & 9.

    Competition shooting is about much more than winning ribbons, or whatever. There are enough gun games around that anyone should be able to find one to fit their interests. I always thought that I was a pretty good shot, quick and accurate. Then I started shooting SASS. Boy, was I ever in for a shock. I've improved about a thousandfold since then. It takes your skills to a whole new level.

    Hunting is a similar thing. It actually has very little to do with firearms, as even a mediocre shot can generally plug a whitetail, but more with increasing one's awareness of the world around you.

    Reloading is a double thing. On the one hand, it takes you leaps and bounds beyond what you knew as mere theory, and puts it into practice. Second, Even shooting the cheapest centerfire stuff around, it's extremely expensive to shoot enough to get really good at it. It sort of forms part of the dividing line between dilletante shooters and serious shooters.

    As for firing with either hand, why ever would you not learn a rather basic skill like that? You've got two hands now, presumably, but that might not always be the case. It's a lot harder to learn how to type with ten fingers than it is to teach five more fingers how to shoot, at a basic level.

    Of course the entire discussion reminds me of my favorite Heinlein quote:

    ~~~Mat
     
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    Let's agree that lists for shooters and lists for gunnies will be somewhat different.

    I consider myself a gunny, not a shooter. Anyone want to take a pass at defining those terms before we go further?

    Jim H.
     
  25. Geronimo45

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    As per 4,5,7, and 9.
    No problems with 9... though I don't see that there'd be too much need to shoot with your 'wrong' hand with a rifle. A handgun, I can see.

    As for 4 - closely connected to 7, IMO. You need lots of ammunition to shoot in competitions... and ammunition costs a lot of money, and reloading equipment will pay off in the long run. Since I be a poor, pitiful college student, I'm not in reloading or competition shooting. Looking to get into reloading on a basic scale - for shooting wax bullets.

    As for 5: I just don't see much use in hunting, at this time, for myself. I could go out, buy a hunting-caliber bolt rifle, get the hunting license, and pull whatever shenanigans are required to get a hunting ground - but I don't see much practical use. Seems like it could get awfully expensive awfully fast... and you might not see a darned thing (I have a talent for such things. Three people go fishing. All use identical corks, hooks, sinkers, fishing line, fishing bait. Results? Two out of three catch fish repeatedly. One out of three catches nothing).
     
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