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100+ year old rifles

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 9x56MS, Feb 1, 2021.

  1. Speedo66

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    How many rounds does an 1873 Winchester with 30" full mag tube hold?
     
  2. Dave DeLaurant

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    I just love wacking that stiff bolt back and forth smartly for some reason -- nice tactile feeling!

    My handloads start with PPU 8x56R Hungarian brass, annealed and run into a Lee 8x50R Lebel sizing die ('cause I'm cheap and haven't bought a proper die set) to form the shoulder, which I then cut and finish-trim to length. I'll then turn the neck if necessary, but it's usually not. I have a few reformed 7.62x54R cases (plus some I made 20 years ago using 45-70 brass), but I prefer the PPUs because they're easy to form and don't bulge at the head.

    For bullets, my preference is realtively blunt .323" flat based jacketeds at least 200 grains, preferably more. I've had pretty decent open sight accuracy out to about 75 yards, but haven't tried longer ranges. The actual bore diameter on the M95 is .330", so boattails won't upset to properly fill the bore.

    This video talks about the challenges of getting excellent accuracy from the M95 at long range using coated cast bullets. It's a little light on handloading detail thanks to the stupid YouTube restrictions:

     
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  3. ATCDoktor

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    I have several rifles that are well past 100 years old that I use regularly:
    Marlin 1892 chambered in 32 Colt dates from between 1910-1915:
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    Winchester Model 94 chambered in 30/30 dates from 1898:
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    Winchester Model 92 chambered in 32/20 dates from 1912:
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    Marlin 1893 chambered in 30/30 dates from 1909:
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    Winchester Model 95 SRC chambered in 30/40 Krag dates from 1920:
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    They are all fine shooters for their age and are probably just as accurate today as they were when they were brand new.
     
  4. BigBlue 94

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    In 32-20 I think 17 or 18. But i cant recall for sure. High Capacity, thats for sure!
     
  5. Speedo66

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    That's a high capacity ammunition thing clip magazine assault weapon right there.
     
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  6. Ugly Sauce

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    I believe, I think, as far as I know, I've been told, when the wood is worn like that on a rifle, it usually indicates "saddle bow wear", meaning it was carried for years on horse back, the rifle resting on the front, or "bow" of the saddle. As far as I know, that also indicates ownership by a Native American, (or "Native American Use" in some collector circles) as a white man usually used a saddle scabbard. ? Now there's a rifle for ApacheCoTodd to weave a tale about.
     
  7. ApacheCoTodd

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    Frikken GIT SOME!

    Great photo, the subject, composition and location - but - I have a question.

    Did you get those super-cool targets from Jules Vern? I'd have one of those sitting in my yard just to rust. let plants grow onto and look at of an afternoon.:thumbup:

    Todd.
     
  8. 9x56MS

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    A big thank you to all who wrote, told tales and posted pictures. Gives me some food for thought and future acquisitions. I am currently looking for a Remington model 8 with factory peep sight in 35 remington caliber. There is something magical about these veteran rifles and I love using them.
     
  9. Ugly Sauce

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    There is just "something about" a M95. I didn't realize that a jacketed .323" would bump up or spin in a .330" bore. I have a mold for a cast .338" somewhere, and a sizing die made to size them down to .330". But again, haven't got around to it. I did try sizing jacketed .338" bullets down, but just busted a press in the process.
     
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  10. BigBlue 94

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    Whoops! Lol. Sometimes we learn the hard way. Were you going straight from .338 to .330? Might work with a two or three step process?
     
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  11. BigBlue 94

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    I just went to see how many would fit. I have NO 32-20!?!? Guess I forgot to order some after loosing what i had in a fire. It will be 6 years ago on Thursday and im still finding things i forgot to replace.
     
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  12. Ugly Sauce

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    Speaking of old rifles, just got done shooting one now. Yeah, I guessed wrong as to what the date today is. ! Found the load she likes at last, but I was limited to what the original powder measure holds. I have both the horn, and measure that are original to the rifle. So it was ball size, patch thickness, and lube. and she likes a pure bee's wax wad over the powder.

    This came into my wife's family in 1845-1846, they traded an ox for it. It has a lot of history, was involved in a lot of "stuff". Yes, that's an Oak stock and ram rod. !!!

    It had a much longer barrel, but it was cut shorter, back in the day, for use on horseback, which is well documented. Her family kept some fantastic diaries. This rifle has "seen some things".
     
  13. 9x56MS

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    General rule of thumb is, don't try to reduce .ore than.003" at a time. I have also learned to go .001 to..0015 under where you want to be as there is a certain amount of jacket spring back after setting for a couple of days.
     
  14. Ugly Sauce

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    The maker of the die told me it would reduce .338" to .330", and that's what is stamped on the die. I was dubious of that for sure, and yeah that was too much of a reduction. Pretty sure it will do okay on a cast bullet, if I ever get around to it. Perhaps it would have worked on some type of monster press, I tried it on a pretty lightweight LEE press. I suppose what kind of lube one uses make a difference also. I never had/used a lube that was designed for that specific purpose.
     
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    Lube does help but that is too big of a jump.p in one operation.even if you manage to force it through there is a good chance of the core separating from the jacket. I made all the mistakes while trying to make proper reloads for my 9x56.
     
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  16. montanaoffroader

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    Marlin 1881 in .45-70, mfd 1886.
    Winchester 94 in .32 WS, mfd 1906.
    Winchester 1890 in .22 WRF, mfd 1915.
    Carcano M91 TS in 6.5, mfd 1915.

    Also have a couple of shotguns and at least one handgun old enough to qualify. My brothers ended up with the real antiques, a couple of mid-1800's muzzleloaders.
     
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  17. Dave DeLaurant

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    I can believe it! My usual bullet downsize is .311 to .309, which I do in a Lee bullet sizing die and an Orange Crusher press -- even a .02" resize takes a bit of muscle.

    Lee makes or made a cheap .330" mold for the 8x50/56 cartridge family:
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010217897

    BTW, I'm fond of the 123 gr plated bullets Berry sells for the 7.62x39 in bulk; they work well for light loads in my .303 and Russian rifles as-is, and once resized can also serve in a bunch of 7.5 and 7.62 military cartridges.
     
  18. Barnfixer

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    96 Mauser from 1914. Sporterized 25 years ago and restocked for my daughter last fall. This thing is accurate and fun to shoot. Got a problem though, daughter doesn’t want to give it back. 21D04AAB-18C5-4941-A60E-20B126C31B6D.jpeg
     
  19. 9x56MS

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    That’s not a problem that is an opportunity. Some of the best family bonding takes place with a rifle outdoors.
     
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  20. ApacheCoTodd

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    Is that step in the barrel standard... The one forward of the tip of the stock?

    I dig your daughter not lettin' go of it.:thumbup:

    Todd.
     
  21. wiscoaster

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    Hah!! That caught my eye, too. And what really irritates me is that I had mine apart over the weekend and I can't remember!! :cuss:
     
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  22. ApacheCoTodd

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    It's really a rather pretty touch in the photograph of the sporter.

    I guess it is standard, looking at another sporter and some GI rifles on the internets. Just where the barrel-band holds the hand guard on - I guess.

    Todd.
     
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  23. Barnfixer

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    Yes the step is standard. Don’t recall how much was cut off. Nice target crown, bolt reforged, reciever machined for scope mounts, Winchester saftey, Timney trigger, blue and polish. I think these mausers were going for $60 back then. Only picked up two, the other I kept original.
     
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  24. theotherwaldo

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    Last that I checked, I had 73 long guns that were originally built between 1841 and 1921. Several had been updated at a later date.
     
  25. Ugly Sauce

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    I bought that sizing die before LEE made a mold for that rifle/caliber/size. !!! Long time ago when using 7.62X54R brass and sizing bullets was about the only way to reload for the M95. I should pick one up, as I have some PPU brass for it, and some PPU loaded rounds. Should play around with that a bit.

    Berry bullets are good, I've shot bunches of them in 9mm. Usually go PPU for my .303's, the bulk .311"s in 150FMJBT grain work well in my Russian rifles and SMLE's. Every one seems to be out of the Hornady 174 grain FMJBT's lately, which I prefer in my Bogus No.4(T), so I may might start using the 150's in it. Hopefully they will be accurate, the 174's shoot into an inch and a half/1.5", and I did get a 1/2" group out of them once.

    I was shooting 123's in my Jungle Carbine for a while, but have since decided to standardize on one load for all my SMLE's. Probably will go with the 150's since they will probably be around longer, and cost less than the 174's.
     
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