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1000 Yard Round

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by CGRifleman, Feb 15, 2013.

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  1. CGRifleman

    CGRifleman Member

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    Suppose I wanted a precision rifle that could put rounds on paper at 1000 yards using factory match loads. Initially I was looking at a .308, but a 1k shot might be easier with something else. I'm looking for something relatively easy to find (i.e., not .338 LM) and available in common bolt rifles like the Rem 700.
    What round would you use?
     
  2. pseudonymity

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    .243 maybe? It is pretty common, but a bit of a barrel burner. If you reload a 6/6.5mm like .260 Rem might work as well with a bit better barrel life.
     
  3. c.latrans

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    Given the parameters you set forth, I would gravitate toward a .30-06. Tons of 1000 matches have been won with the plain Jane "06" over the decades. Recoil may be a limiting factor for you. If so, consider the .243. Properly hand loaded with todays components, it is a capable round. Good luck!
     
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    From what I understand the .308 is superior to the .30-06 even out to 1000 yards. It might not be as flat shooting, but I believe it to be more accurate.
     
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    I would say 30-06 or 300 Win Mag. Both are easily available on many different platforms. Ammunition is easy to find and both have plenty of power to go the distance. .308 is probably a good choice too, I have just never spent much time with it and I prefer the other two.

    I have a 6.5 Grendel that is excellent at 1000 yards. I love that round.
     
  6. Speedgoat

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    I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion? I've been researching up a storm over the last couple weeks getting ready to build a more-custom than not 1,000 yard gun, but still on somewhat of a budget and started off wanting to build a .308, but have decided to go with the tried and true 30-06. There are so many factors that go into Accuracy than you can shake a stick at. The OP made it sound like he'll be using factory ammo, instead of handloads, so that limits his ability to play with loads / bullets to find a 'sweet spot' load for his praticular rifle. .308 match ammo is more available it seems commercially than the 06, that may play factor into the OP's decesion. I'm getting into reloading right now and it's opened up a whole new world to me so to speak.
     
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    While 308 has a well deserved reputation, there are MUCH better cartridges available in factory and handloader channels.

    The sweet spot regarding trajectory, recoil, cost, etc is the 6 and 6.5mm. Preferably 6.5 if you have a choice between the two.

    For 1k BR, I've seen everything from 6mm Dasher, 243, 308, 6.5/284 and custom calibers, and the WSMs.

    For the tactical crowd, they like the 260 Rem, AIs, 6.5 Creedmoor, etc.

    Personally, I've run my 223 Rem and 243 Ackley Improved to 1k and the 338 LM to 2k.

    Find something capable but don't obsess. Plenty of other things to obsess about at those ranges.......like the wind.

    Good luck.
     
  9. Derek Zeanah

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    If you aren't willing to reload, take a look at 7mm Mag. Should do quite a bit better in wind, and is available.

    I went with .260 Rem myself, and that finally got me into reloading.
     
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    I am extremely happy with my GAP Crusader in .260 Rem. I can bang a 20" gong consistently on most days. I also have a Hospitaller in .338 Lapua but love the .260 much more.
     
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    gap doesnt stand for that, gap is in kansas city.
     
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    one of the best factory loadings in precision rifle right now is that 6.5 creedmoor, or you could buy ammo from places like Copper Creek Ammo and shoot whatever caliber you want
     
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    Dear God...long week....3 fingers of Bourbon in me. Discussing Canned Heat with a buddy. WOW....need a few days off.
     
  14. Derek Zeanah

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    It's ok. As a Georgian I originally assumed it was GA Precision, as in the state. It still leaks out sometimes. :)
     
  15. chaser_2332

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    doesnt matter what it stands for george and crew builds a hell of a rifle and is a big contributer to the sport.
     
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    according to their t-shirts it stands for Gnat's Ass
    (though who knows what it really stands for)


    to the OP, if you are just learning, i would strongly suggest 308win and 175g SMK or equivalent ammo.
    if you have a good deal of precision rifle experience to say 600y and just want to shoot farther away, any of the 6.5mm would be a good choice.

    243 is a great long range cartridge, but vast majority of factory barrels are too slow twist and factory ammo is light bullets for poking at deer. you will need a 8 twist or faster and 105-115g bullets.
     
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    YEP.

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    Best factory round for 1,000yd is the 6.5Creedmore it was in fact designed for that purpose. Unfortunately it is still pretty new and not really common yet, though more rifle and ammo makers seem to be jumping on board every time I look. With it's factory 140gr A-Max bullets it will almost duplicate what I can do with my high performance handloads in my 6.5x55, and does so in a short action as does it's 260 Rem counterpart which is almost as good but the rifles often lack the tight twist needed for long heavy bullets. There is in fact some factory match 6.5x55 as well but it is designed for old small ring Mauser pressures and won't quite run with the Creedmore, still a hella good choice though.
    For a more common caliber the 243 CAN be a good long range shooter but you really need to reload and have a custom twist barrel to make it any better then the 308 you already have. There are ultra high BC bullets in 6mm but you simply cannot stabilize them in factory 1:9"-1:10" twists. By time you roll your own and rebarrel you have absolutely no advantage over the Creedmore or 6.5x55, and a few glaring disadvantages so this is not my top pick.
    7mm Rem Mag is a real charmer at long range, ballistics are great but it is hard on barrels and even harder on the shoulder if you do any volume of shooting with a sporter weight rifle.
    300 Win Mag is a monster of a long ranged gun and there is plenty of match ammo out there, but if you though the Big 7 rattled you teeth after a couple boxes you ain't seen nothing until you tried some ultra heavy 300 mag.
     
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    I have actually poked my Cooper Model 22 Phoenix in 6.5x55 Swede out to 1,000 with very decent results for a sub 9 lb hunting rifle.

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  20. chaser_2332

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    thats what ive always been told
     
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    The .338 Lapua
     
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    Oh No, not the .308 .vs .30-06 controversy again.:rolleyes: Having shot in 1,000 yard F Class competition for many years, I'll only say that limiting yourself to factory match loads eliminates a lot of good choices as far as cartridges go. First, you would have to eliminate the .30-06, as the last time I checked, Federal Gold Medal Match ammo only came loaded with the 168SMK bullet which is a terrible bullet for 1k shooting. The .308 can be had with the 175SMK bullet in Federal Gold Medal Match, and that will work as long as you don't have a short barrel. The .300WM with the 190SMK bullet in FGM Match would be a good choice, but recoil takes it's toil on you when shooting prone. The 6.5mm cartridges are really where you want to be. I believe both the 6.5-.284 and .260 Remington are available in factory match ammo, and either of these would be your best choice. Personally, I shot a .30-06 where my handloads duplicated the 190SMK .300WM Federal Gold Medal Match load, but in later years I switched to a 6.5x55 with handloads that split the difference between the .260 Rem and 6.5-.284 as far as velocity goes. Summary: If you are going to restrict yourself to factory 1k loads, be prepared to spend a lot of $$$ on ammo and limit yourself as to cartridge choices. Just MHO.

    Don
     
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    Factory match ammo doesn't necessarily mean it will work for your gun. You will want to learn to reload your own.

    I used to shoot factory match ammo in my AR shooting the monthly reduced course matches at my local range. Then I went to shoot a full length match and discovered that my rifle hated the stuff at 300 and 600 yards, heck it was even starting to show up at 200 that something was up. I thought something was loose in my sights or something at first, but on another couple of strings I was given some ammo to try from one of the guard team guys that they use.
    Wow, what a difference I went from dropping a ton of points to shooting cleans after some rapid sight changes were made.

    I won't touch the stuff anymore other than what I have left and will only use that at 100 yards.
    It would shoot 5 shot 1/4" groups at 100 but at 600 was more like 18".

    Learn to reload, it will outperform factory match and will pay for itself quickly once this latest round of hysterics settles down.
     
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    50 BMG, world record is under 3" at 1000 yards.

    Many custom builders and there is some factory ammo but handloads is a must, even for smaller calibers.
     
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    Do as you like, but SPEED is your friend at 1000 yards. A five mile cross wind will push a 308 EIGHT FEET. The same wind will push a 300 Win Mag THREE FEET.

    Getting a high BC bullet started at around 3200 fps is an easy way to shoot at long range.

    In another life, I used a Browning M-1000 Eclipse BOSS in 300 mag with 36X scope at 1000 yards. It would get a 190 SMK running near 3200 fps. Recoil was on the par of a 20 ga gas auto shotgun. The only negative was noise. That puppy was the Trumpet of the Lord when it went off.

    Bridgeport's Big Seven may be a viable cartridge, but magnums are hard on barrels.

    I often thought about a 264 Win Mag with 8" twist and 30" barrel, but this cartridge eats barrels.

    You simply MUST reload. The steps you can take to make your gun shoot better cannot be done with factory ammo. The brass is the largest variable. Google precision loading and you will start to see.

    This is not a cheap sport.
     
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