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102 year old "Tacticool" carbine!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by .45Guy, Jan 19, 2008.

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  1. .45Guy

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    Well that is if tacticool means plunking whitetails at less than 100 yards. Pretty good looking for a Winchester 1905 made in 1906. I'll have to snap some better photos later, but here she is in all her glory.
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  2. highorder

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    nice! what caliber?
     
  3. .45Guy

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    .35WSL, which is actually easier to find than 8mm Lebel... Go figure.
     
  4. Gewehr98

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    Okeydokey...

    Since we're talking tacticool, here's my 112 year-old "tactical" (starting to be a dirty word with me) carbine in 6.5x53R, as issued to Romanian cavalry troops: :D

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  5. mustanger98

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    What does "WSL" stand for?
     
  6. .45Guy

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    Winchester Self Loading
     
  7. Vaarok

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    Don't tell the antis, those things can shoot down biplanes!
     
  8. 351 WINCHESTER

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    You can make your ammo from .38 special or .357 cases. Bullets are easy to find too - do a google search.
     
  9. .45Guy

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    I'm not so worried about the antis, as Mrs. .45. I'm sure she'll appreciate another oddball money pit rifle. Oh well, maybe she'll appreciate the fact that I can't get into any trouble while I'm stuck at the reloading bench!;)
     
  10. .45Guy

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    Thanks .351! I've got a gent in Stevens Point that will turn down the rims and cut the extractor groove. But I may still break down and buy a box of shells from Old Western Scrounger.
     
  11. 351 WINCHESTER

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    I don't have any load data for the .35wsl, but I know it's quite a bit less than the .351 which generates 45,000 psi. I would think 2400 or 4227 would be 2 good powders to start with. I've loaded my .351's down very mild and they still functioned fine ( I'm talking going from 19gr. 2400 down to 10 grs.).

    Beware of old data as the burn rate for 2400 is faster than it used to be so reduce accordingly. Now you need to get a .351 and a .401 and maybe a .32self loader.
     
  12. .45Guy

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    Double tap...
     
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  13. .45Guy

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    If I could find a nice 1910 .401 I probably would. I have a 1910 copy of "Fur, Fish, and Game" with a full page ad. The tag line was, "Hits like the hammer of Thor!":p
     
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    ;) it must be practical before it's tactical, amirite?
     
  15. 351 WINCHESTER

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    Yea, but it's a WINCHESTER. I bought a bunch of ammo years ago for $20. factory boxes of 50. My friend reloads so it's not that bad. The biggest problem is finding your fired brass. These self loaders really throw them.

    Besides the winchester self loaders are probably the most reliable ever and never break. Compare a firing pin from a 07 winchester to anything else and you'll see why they don't break. They were over built. I stand corrected, the wood does crack, but really that's it.
     
  16. .45Guy

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    Well, I did break down and order a very expensive box of ammo from OWS.
     
  17. 351 WINCHESTER

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    That's ok, he needs money too. I have a book somewhere called "The Forgotten Winchesters". It covers the self loading winchesters and has loading data too. It's a very detailed book. I think my friend has it as we were going to make up some loads for my .351 using .357 brass. If you can find that book buy it. I found mine online for about $25. Don't loose your magazine cause they are scarce as hen's teeth (but look at the quality) - never again to be duplicated.
     
  18. .45Guy

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    I pulled her apart today to give everything a good cleaning and oiling. I must say this thing is built like the proverbial brick outhouse! Few moving parts, and what parts there are seem to be way oversized. I might need a new buffer though.
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  19. Gewehr98

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    Be quite selective in you handloads for that rifle.

    The action is balanced only for a given bullet weight and velocity - it has a very narrow window for proper operation and cycling, which you'll soon discover.

    Folsom State Prison used them as guard guns for many years. When they switched to the Mini-14GB, the prison's .351WSL Winchesters wound up on the Sacramento local gun market. People were having fun getting ammo and reload info, and when Dangerous Dave still owned Old Western Scrounger (Now a Gibbs/Forgett enterprise) he was doing a brisk business in just that chambering alone. ;)
     
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    If you find a source for a new buffer please let me know. Whatever you do (unless you have the patience of Job) do not take out the recoil spring. Wolff sells them for the .351, but I've heard they are a real pain to get back in.
     
  21. .45Guy

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    351, how bad do these things mangle brass? I have 80 rounds on the way, and I have my mini lathe and a pile of .38 spcl brass... But Henry Ford I'm not. I'd like to think you could get quite a few loadings out of the brass with it running pretty low pressures, but if it comes out looking like I picked it up off of the livestock pen floor at state fair...
     
  22. 351 WINCHESTER

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    They are really quite easy on brass. The biggest problem is finding it once it's been shot. They throw it far with full loads. You should be able to download quite a bit and still get her to eject and feed. These rifles were "overbuilt" as you can see, but I wouldn't try to hot rod it. Any load data you may find will probably be "obsolete" such as loads for 2400. The new 2400 is faster than the old stuff so load down accordingly.
     
  23. .45Guy

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    Post clean up pic:
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  24. WAID

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    Does this one count too?

    winchester musket

    I suppose it's too long for modern tacticool standards though:D
     
  25. ldp4570

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    Hell yeah!!! That one counts too!!!!! Way cool Winny Musket!!!!!
     
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