10mm for an outdoors caliber?

[Inebriated]

Hey guys, I've been getting more interested in 10mm as a woods gun, and I'm wanting to get some opinions. I know it's a hard-hitting round, so I've been looking at it and the great .357 Magnum (really the standard around here in NC). From what I can tell, .357 is a tad more "powerful" (just looking at Buffalo Bore's ME numbers), but it seems negligible when a Glock 20 has 15+1 rounds, and a K-frame has 6 or 7 rounds of .357. So what say you people? Good choice?

 

[mljdeckard]

Plenty of people seem to think so. The Glock has the capacity, but many prefer the S&W 610 revolver, as it can shoot .40s, 10mm, and not have to worry about springs or setup for it to cycle a given load.

 

[357 Terms]

North Carolina?

Can't go wrong with either.

Reliability is a wash, whatever you shoot best.

Long range I would take the 357.

 

[Inebriated]

Well I don't really care about .40, since I'd only practice with 10mm, and if I'm going with a revolver, I might as well just up to .44 Magnum. I like that the Glock is sort of in the middle.

And as for range, I'm sort of thinking about the woods and trails around here, and I really can't imagine having to take a shot at more than 60/70 yards. But, point taken, and something to consider.

Thanks fellas!

 

[rcmodel]

For woods bumming, I much prefer a S&W .357 or .44 revolver.

First, they are almost always more accurate then combat tupperware.

Second, things like CCI snake shot and less powerful .38 & .44 Spl ammo is available for when you aren't expecting to meet a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
And don't want to wear earplugs all day.

Third, I reload, and revolvers don't chuck .30 cents ea. empty brass into the poison ivy where I can't find it.

rc

 

[Elkins45]

For woods bumming, I much prefer a S&W .357 or .44 revolver.

First, they are almost always more accurate then combat tupperware.

Second, things like CCI snake shot and less powerful .38 & .44 Spl ammo is available for when you aren't expecting to meet a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
And don't want to wear earplugs all day.

Third, I reload, and revolvers don't chuck .30 cents ea. empty brass into the poison ivy where I can't find it.

rc

I love the 10mm, but rcmodel nailed this one. 10mm would be fine for hunting or SD, but for versatility and for saving your brass there's just no beating a good revolver.

 

[Inebriated]

Let's not stray from the discussion, which is 10mm for woods defense. Yes, it's annoying to pick up my brass, but I get by with the .45 and .308. I will do just as fine with the 10mm.

 

[Brian D.]

A Glock model 20 goes on my hip on any journey into "big critter country". (It doesn't get much toting duty otherwise.) For the parts of the trip where I'm away from the towns, a magazine of hot 200 grain JFP handloads goes into the gun. When I get back from the woods/mountains I'll switch back to factory 180 grain JHPs.

@ Inebriated: Have been vacationing in Bryson City and points south in your fine state several times, that's one of the areas I consider the Glock 20 a good idea.

 

[Skribs]

I haven't noticed a significant difference in accuracy between revolvers and semi-autos for myself. In both cases, it's more me than the gun.

You can get "FBI loads" which are less powerful than the full-on 10mm if you want to use something lighter.

I don't reload, so if I was considering the difference between a revolver or a glock for woods, spent casings wouldn't be a consideration.

If I were picking out a woods gun, I would go with a Glock 20 and use FMJs.

 

[sargents1]

Hey guys, I've been getting more interested in 10mm as a woods gun, and I'm wanting to get some opinions. I know it's a hard-hitting round, so I've been looking at it and the great .357 Magnum (really the standard around here in NC). From what I can tell, .357 is a tad more "powerful" (just looking at Buffalo Bore's ME numbers), but it seems negligible when a Glock 20 has 15+1 rounds, and a K-frame has 6 or 7 rounds of .357. So what say you people? Good choice?

Hmmm, I always figured that the 10mm was a bit more powerful than the .357, not the other way around. Buffalo Bore loads full powered 10mm, but not the hottest. The hottest 10mm rounds come from Double Tap and Swamp Fox (and the original Norma loads). Selected rounds from those mfgs will run 750ft-lbs + at the muzzle. Most .357 Loads I see run around 650ft-lbs.

In any case, the actual difference is going to be small (if even noticeable) in practice.

I have a G20SF and I think its better than .357 revolver because its at least as powerful, and holds a lot more bullets. It also handles big bullets (180gr or bigger) better than a .357.

I say, if you need encouragement to buy a Glock 10mm...consider yourself Encouraged! I really like mine.

Its accurate...


and its relatively soft shooting.
here is mine on the right with my buddy's Regular G20 on the left.

 

[jem375]

Hmmm, I always figured that the 10mm was a bit more powerful than the .357, not the other way around. Buffalo Bore loads full powered 10mm, but not the hottest. The hottest 10mm rounds come from Double Tap and Swamp Fox (and the original Norma loads). Selected rounds from those mfgs will run 750ft-lbs + at the muzzle. Most .357 Loads I see run around 650ft-lbs.

In any case, the actual difference is going to be small (if even noticeable) in practice.

I have a G20SF and I think its better than .357 revolver because its at least as powerful, and holds a lot more bullets. It also handles big bullets (180gr or bigger) better than a .357.

I say, if you need encouragement to buy a Glock 10mm...consider yourself Encouraged! I really like mine.

Its accurate...


and its relatively soft shooting.
here is mine on the right with my buddy's Regular G20 on the left.

show me a 10MM that will shoot out an 180 gr. bullet at around 1400 like the 357 Magnum using 3 powders........L'l gun, WW296 or H110

 

[jem375]

show me a 10MM that will spit out a 180 gr. bullet at around 1400 fps..

 

[357 Terms]

Hmmm, I always figured that the 10mm was a bit more powerful than the .357, not the other way around.

Hmmm, a non reloader?

The 357 has been loaded down considerably since its introduction.

Now let's talk about sectional density!...really.

My 180 XTP 357 handloads will exit my 6.5in Blackhawk at 1400+ fps.

I would be impressed if most could outshoot that Ruger at 50yrds with a Glock.

 

[Gtscotty]

I'd say go for the G20, I just picked up a G20sf (the regular G20 did not fit my hand), and am having a blast with it. While I got mine predominately to hunt hogs and deer with, I will probably be taking it with me whenever I go out to walk around the hunting property alone (currently use a G19 for this). From what I've been able to gather, hot 10mm rounds tend to be a little above hot .357 rounds, and most G20 shooters report good enough accuracy for 50 yd shots. Some of the boutique ammo manufacturers loads for 10mm (e.g. Double Tap) have been reported to chrono well below their claimed velocity, others (e.g. Underwood) have a reputation for meeting or beating the advertised velocity. It seems that there has been a small resurgence in interest in 10mm of late, and full power 10mm ammo is becoming more readily available.

Not to Derail, but do any of you G20 hunters have suggestions for good sights for hunting use?

 

[Gtscotty]

My 180 XTP 357 handloads will exit my 6.5in Blackhawk at 1400+ fps.

Wow, thats really smoking, the Hogdon and Alliant load manuals only show that kind of velocity out of a 10 inch barrel. I bet even those redline 180 loads are running closer to the 10mm-esq 1300-1350 mark when coming out of an equal length (4.6") barrel.

Regardless, I'm sure either 10mm or .357 would meet the OP's needs as a woods gun, I think it really comes down to what format he wants and is comfortable with, revolver vs semi.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

You need to go back and read several other threads here on the topic. Mucho information.

 

[357 Terms]

Wow, thats really smoking, the Hogdon and Alliant load manuals only show that kind of velocity out of a 10 inch barrel.

Check out Vihtavuori powders manual.

I use N110 with a small rifle primer just a couple tenths of a grain over max. Never any signs of over pressure and accurate.

it's an older manual ( now they say SP primer) but I have shot hundreds of these with no problems.

 

[Gtscotty]

Check out Vihtavuori powders manual.

I use N110 with a small rifle primer just a couple tenths of a grain over max. Never any signs of over pressure and accurate.

Fair enough, I bet that load hits like a train.

You need to go back and read several other threads here on the topic. Mucho information.

Who is you? the OP or other posters?

 

[Magoo]

It seems like a fine choice to me. When I think "woods gun" I think of something that can take the abuse of me tumbling down a hill or falling in the river. While I've never owned a Glock, that seems a big part of their reputation.

At first I thought 10mm was "too much" for around here and then I thought of hogs. If I was shooting a hog in self defense I'd want as much power headed the other way as possible. Nasty critters. What made me actually respond was my desire for a woods gun for myself. What I want one for is fly fishing in MT/WY/ID. When I'm out there I also want as much firepower as possible. If the fishing is good, I'm likely in prime Griz habitat.

I'd want the gun to be readily accessable which means it is inevitably going to be subjected to some nasty environmental conditions. The occasional dunking is more likely than not. Again, Glock seems taylor made for the role.

If you end up with one, and are in WNC, I'd love to meet up with you sometime to put some rounds downrange. I'd bring ammo and other "toys" to ensure a fun afternoon.

And just to address rcmodel's (whose input I always greatly respect) thoughts on losing autoloader casings- if I'm shooting this thing in the woods at a dangerous animal I could give a care less where the casings go. It won't be hunting, target practice, or plinking. A change of underpants will be a much bigger concern than missing brass.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

The OP has a wealth of previous commentary at THR here on the 10mm as a great field gun/round. If it were I seeking info, I'd sure find it useful.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Bear in mind that when comparing revolvers and automatics of the same "listed" bbl length that the revolver bbl is actually almost a couple inches longer as per the difference in how you measure one.

Any way you cut it 1400 from 180'S in a 357 handgun is an overload. It takes a hot handload to hit 1400 with 158 grn pills

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[357 Terms]

Any way you cut it 1400 from 180'S in a 357 handgun is an overload. It takes a hot handload to hit 1400 with 158 grn pills

Check out V.V manual with N110, they use a 7in barrell ( at least my 7 or 8 year old copy says so)

And I have never had a sign of over pressure...ever

 

[T Bran]

It really comes down to what you shoot the best. I carry a SIG .40 and have no problems but that is the pistol I shoot the most so it's also what I shoot the best. It is not as much what you hit but where you hit it. If I lived in big bear country I'd have to get in an awful lot of practice with a lot heavier gun before I felt secure. Here it is hogs and the ocasional black bear. I worry more about the two legged predators than the four.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Check out V.V manual with N110, they use a 7in barrell ( at least my 7 or 8 year old copy says so)

And I have never had a sign of over pressure...ever

Have you actually chronographed this load or are you just going off what the manual says the velocity should be?

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[jmr40]

A G-20 in 10mm is about as good as it gets outdoors. On paper the 357 is about a tie in power, but the 357 needs a 6" barrel to match what the Glock will do with 4.5". Mine chronographs Double Tap 200 gr. hardcast at 1315 fps. A 357 with 4" barrel or less won't do that. A 6" barrel will match it. An 8" or longer barrel will beat it. But I'll carrry a rifle before carrying a handgun that big.

Since the Glock is an auto, the overall length is is about equal to a 3" SP101. The Glock will also be considerably lighter and easier to carry. Couple that with 16 rounds and you have something.

If I were buying a handgun to hunt with I'd still go revolver because there is a bit more long range accuracy. But the G-20 is no slouch. I can consistently make head shots on a human target out to 50 yards.