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10mm Question.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Boothdt, May 27, 2011.

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  1. Boothdt

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    So I haven't bought a gun in a while and I think I'm going through withdrawal:( I'm extremely pleased with my Glock 20SF but I'd really like something with "Made in America" stamped on it. A quick google search shows me the Kimber Eclipse Custom II, Colt Delta Elite, and S&W 1006 series. I have heard that the S&W wears out relatively quickly and tends to develop the "baby rattle" and that the old Delta Elite's had some hiccups but the post 2009 models had solved them. I haven't heard a thing about the Kimber. I don't have any firsthand experience with any of them.

    Does anyone have any firsthand knowledge with any of the above and if so, what was your experience? What would you suggest and why?
     
  2. SharpsDressedMan

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    I'd look for a S&W in exc-to-almost new condition; they are out there, and still reasonable. I think the rumor you heard about them is untrue. Mine it tight, accurate, and built like a tank. I think both the Glock and the S&W will do more rounds before wearing our or cracking than the 1911 10mm pistols, as both were designed to handle 10mm from the beginning.
     
  3. mr.trooper

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    Don't forget the Witness. You could probably find a Star if you looked as well.
     
  4. swinokur

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    I have a G29SF and a Smith 1076. I don't know where you heard the stories about the Smith but IMO nothing could be further from the truth AFAIIC. As posted they are built like tanks and mine has never made a sound other than a loud bang when the trigger is pulled.

    I am looking for a Colt Delta Elite as well. All the previous issues with them have been resolved AFAIK..
     
  5. stevek

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    The only thing keeping me away from the Smith, is the operation of the thumb safety. It is opposite of all the other pistols with a thumb safety in my collection. If it was to be used ONLY for target practice, I might look at it, but then again 10mm for target is a bit overkill IMHO ;)
     
  6. swinokur

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    The 1026 and 1076 have only decockers,
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. Just what I needed...2 more guns to consider :eek:
     
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    I have a 1006 and like a poster above said it is built like a tank. Never heard of anyone wearing one out, and if you did it the ammo would have cost you far more than buying a replacement. The G20 feels better, is more accurate (in my hands) and has far less felt recoil than the 1006. The bore is a bit lower in the Glock but I feel better loading hot ammo in the Smith.
     
  10. Zak Smith

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    Made in America and 10mm.. how about an SV or SVI in 10mm?
     
  11. Apocalypse-Now

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    want a pistol designed around an extremely low pressure cartridge, then moded to handle a very high pressure cartridge? then a 10mm 1911 is the one for you ;)


    a used s&w 1076 is probably your best bet.
     
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    Witness is an Italian clone of a czech pistol with a different cart shoved in it.

    That said, I love mine. :)
     
  13. harrygunner

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    The Colt 10mm 1911 issue was fixed decades ago. Don't forget the first airplane flight was 120 feet and early rockets blew up at liftoff.
     
  14. M91/30

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    The kimber eclipse custom II that i had the privledge of firing was fabulous. It was insanely accurate, fell nice in the hand, and was pretty. As far as i Know they are reliable as well, this particular one belonged to a competition shooter. But I do believe they cost a pretty penny. But thats my "review" Of course Just about anybody can have a crush on a gun and say the best about it. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Apocalypse-Now

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    i think s&w would sell a plethora of m&p's chambered for 10mm, but that's just me :)
     
  16. jmr40

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    The S&W 1006 series and the Glock are the ONLY 2 semi-auto platforms that have PROVEN they can handle the 10mm round. I might consider a 1911, but many of the 1911 guns in 10mm have had issues. Perhaps some manufacturers have figured it out. The EAA is not a consideration, at least not in 10mm.
     
  17. SharpsDressedMan

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    As far as the 1911 in 10mm, I have owned a Delta and a custom Caspian in 10mm, and the only issue I can see is possibly a shorter frame life with the 10mm over the .45 cartridge. The 10mm with full loadings is going to wear out the gun sooner. I have heard that if you get more than 7000 rounds of full 10mm out of a 1911 before possible stress cracks in the frame you are doing well. I have had a .45 cal 1911 crack after long use(20,000 rounds), and it still did not stop the gun from fuctioning properly, it was just annoying visually. I would believe that the 1006 and G20 would have a longer life without cracking than the 1911, but all may keep working as the cracks are usually such that they do not interfere with function.
     
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    If I was to get another 10mm to go along side my G20SF I would get a Colta Delta Elite. I have a friend with one, and it's a nice gun. It feels bigger than my Colt CE, but lighter at the same time. IDK. I'm thinking I might get another G20 with they get introduced as a Gen 4.

    Anyway I wish S&W would make a M&P 10. If they did I would jump on it as I really like the M&P's, and the 10mm is the most awesome semi-auto round IMO.
     
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    I own a Dan Wesson CBOB that shoots great, a Glock 20 with a 6" barrel & red dot scope, a Glock 20 SF and a Glock 29...I do like the 10mm...BUT if you would get a Para Ordnance P-16 Limited and have Hunter's Custom ream the barrel to 10mm you would have a 16 + 1 1911 size 10mm that shoots like a dream.[​IMG]
     
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    to my knowledge (which is limited mind you) the new deltas are identical in manufacture as the originals

    there was a very limited amount of guns with frame cracking in the beginning (not even enough to warrant a recall) and those guns were handled through colts customer service

    the kimber eclipse has gotten very good reviews as well

    most 1911s in 10mm have had overall positive reviews so IMO id say that the whole bunk about 10mm being too much for them is just that... bunk

    a good portion of reviewers have stated changing the springs regularly but you should do that anyway with any 1911 just as a good maintenance schedule

    the glocks get good things said about them

    never read a review for the 10mm witness unless its one of the high end limited gold blah blah unrealistic models that i personally steer clear of

    the smiths and even the old brens are what everyone seems to covet as THE centimeter handgun

    my personal preference would be one delta (if i can ever track one down) and one kimber eclipse custom II
     
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    Decades ago, the Delta shared a weakness all 1911's had back then in the slide stop slot in the frame. The fix was very simple and I believe, most all manufactures incorporated that fix in recent .45 ACP 1911 frames. Old news.

    Rather than the frame, the slide is of concern to some smiths. A simple calculation leads to an estimate that the 10mm presents 56% more force on the slide. The breach face takes a bigger push. A well made forged steel slide helps there.

    I had Bar-Sto custom fit a ramped barrel with an improved lower lug to the STI slide and Springfield frame of my 10mm 1911. The action of that gun is so smooth, that it could last as long as any .45 ACP 1911.

    If one researches the opinions of seasoned gunsmiths with experience with 10mm 1911's, the general consensus is a properly built 1911 in 10mm will last.

    Someone asked Richard Heine this question: http://pistolsmith.com/10mm/4763-question-mr-heinie-regarding-10mm-longevity.html

    Mr. Heine said he had 25,000 rounds through his 10mm 1911. He also mentioned a customer who "doesn't shoot wimp loads" having no mechanical issues with his 1911. In another thread, Mr. Heine said: "If I could only own one Pistol, it would be a very hard choice, but I believe in the end I would keep the 10 and let the others go."
     
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    S&W 1076. I have 2 of them and they are incredible. Tanks.
     
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    Thanks

    Thanks for starting this thread, and for all those that posted. I too, am looking to pick up a 10mm. I certainly respect the Glock design, but I don't care for how they feel in my hand. I have shot the 20, about 20 years ago. It didn't seem unreasonable for recoil or behavior, I just don't like how they feel.

    I am strongly considering a 1911-based 10mm, thinking along the lines of a Delta Elite. I don't need this gun to be fancy, or 'custom', and I don't plan on high-round count. Which is one reason I like the 1911 design for familiarity in my hand.

    Just like one poster wrote, I DO like the M&P line, and if they did offer one, I'd hand over my card instantly.

    Thanks again for all the folks offering personal knowledge and experience. I enjoy that about this forum!

    PE
     
  24. Mainsail

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    I hated the way the Glock 20 felt in my hand. Now I own both the G20 and a G29, or more correctly, the G20SF and G29SF. The short frame versions feel like a totally different gun. Try one of the SF models on for size before you dismiss the Glock.
     
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    That's just funny. As others have already mentioned, it's about the toughest gun out there so chambered. I've hammered my 1006 with nuclear loads, the gun is just fine.

    The Glock 20 is also plenty tough, though the stock barrel should be ditched to run full power stuff due to the well known lack of chamber support.

    The Witness, as long as it isn't one of the rounded slide models (short production run) can eaily take the hot stuff. I have two of them.

    1911 10mm's-lighter built than the 1006, I don't put them through as much punishment. I have more moderate (~600-650 ft/lb) loads for use in my Kimber Stainless Target II. I've shot the hot stuff through it, but don't do so with the frequency I do with the 1006 or Witnesses.

    Another option (though still not made in the USA) is the Sarsilmaz K2. A larger framed gun, it holds 17+1 in 10mm and can handle the cartridge easily.

    Of current production US made 10mm's, you're stuck with the 1911 platform. I understand the desire to buy "Made In USA", and try to do so myself whenever possible. But if what you want isn't made here, no one can fault you for buying an import, especially if you're not just buying chinese junk to save money.
     
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