Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Cheesemaker, May 31, 2019.
Witness Elite 10mm, 15rds, no waiting:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/s/eaa witness 10mm
I have 6 10mm's, a Colt Delta Elite, a Glock 20 and a Glock 29, a Rock Island Tac Ultra, a Sig 220 DA/SA and my favorite a Grand Power P40. The Grand Power wins for accuracy and recoil / brass retention. Check one out.
I haven't seen a Grand Power yet. I will but one when I see it.
I recently bought the ruger. Great quality firearm. Very happy with it.
I had previously owned a first generation delta elite. Also a great gun. Put many rounds through it. Only got rid of it because it started to become collectible and worth considerably more than I paid for it. Began to feel guilty about putting rounds through it.
Side note, I've only put 600 rounds through the Ruger thus far. No problems
I would recommend the Springfield Armory Operator TRP in 10mm. Having had years of excellent service from my SAI TRP in .45 ACP, I went for their 5" TRP in 10mm. So far, excellent accuracy, reliability and controllability given its weight. Having used 1911s since 1967, I am totally comfortable with using it as an OWB carry gun, especially when camping, hiking or other outdoors activities.
Can't go wrong with G20. I have gen3 SF
I also have 1911 (Delta elite and Kimber eclipse II)
All are great shooters though I find that the 1911s are more accurate. Blue dot is my favorite powder for 10mm. I suggest minimal crimp w plated bullets - or stay with jacketed.
I have a Glock 20C and have never had a problem with it. I reload some hot loads and it eats them up no problem. I would LOVE to own a Colt Delta Elite but it’s not in my financial future. I will never buy a Springfield product again (political reasons not appropriate for this thread) but the one I used to own was amazing.
For work I usually carry a Glock but sometimes I carry my Ruger SR1911 Target. It is the most reliable 1911 I have ever owned. I bought it to shoot pigs with (works very well for that purpose) but I'm also very comfortable carrying it on and off duty.
I went with the Colt Delta Elite. Love it.
why don't you just convert your g21sf?
Is there any other choice?
I don't understand the affinity for a single stack 10mm. If you're gonna get a single stack, why not get a .45? You lose 1 round in capacity, not that big a loss.
Doublestacks are what make 10mm great.
There sure is.... EAA Witness Hunter
I have had a number of 10mm pistols over the years, and the only one I still have left is the S&W 1006. Magazines are unreasonably expensive though. That being said, a Glock 20 or similar is probably a more practical choice.
There are enough reports of 10mm EAA cracked slides to think there might be something to it. If yours hasn't, more power to you. I have a Glock 20C. Nice, clean, and somewhere in the bottom of the safe. I never could get the hang of that odd appendage they use for a trigger. Recently bought a Springfield Armory XDm 10mm and am quite happy with it. SA .45ACP mag loaders will work for it. I mostly run handloads with the same momentum factor as .45 ACP ball, 180 gr. at about 1040 FPS. I was impressed by the video of an XDm shooting 10K factory hollow points with no malfunction, and shooting a friend's XDs. I took 3 shots with a new-to-me pocket pistol, and was immediately accused of being a show-off.
Tell me more. I know the specs. What's your experience with it been?
And now you’ve added another internet “report,” which is how one bad batch of slides from 15+ years ago and did not involve anything from the Elite series in the first place keeps being injected into current day discussions.
As I own no stock in Tanfoglio nor their American importers, I only care because I recall how much heartburn these already-stale “reports” gave me many years ago when I was first getting into 10mm and wanted a steel-framed double stack. At that time, that meant Tanfo’ or nothing. I bit the bullet, but the “reports” certainly raised my stress level.
Pointlessly, as it turned out. I’ve had 3 10mm Tanfos. Two saw a fair number of book-max charges, and two of them also saw tens of thousands of rounds as competitive shooting guns. I’ve shot them enough to break a number of things on them. I have not cracked a slide.
It truly does not help the overall level of information to re-re-re-re-re-re-re-post about the same incident from many years ago that never even was relevant to the Match or the Hunter models, particularly when the stated reason for giving it weight is that you, too, have read the prior re-re-re-re-re-posts.
It’s like saying, “I keep reading reports about an amphibious assault on some beach in France. Must be something to it. Don’t go to a French beach, those things are real murder zones.”
The all steel construction of many single stacks makes them good platforms for 10mm Auto. People like options and there’s no reason variety should be limited based on the traditional offering of a 45 cal 1911. The same is true of the P220 traditional offering. There’s tons of single stacks in different offerings also. If we based design decisions on traditional offerings of the original design, we would neuter the industry and future offerings.
Rather than saying you only lose a round by going up to a 45, trying viewing it the other way. You gain a round by going down to a 40 caliber bullet. You also gain a lot of velocity in 10mm Auto.
Capacity isn’t what makes 10mm great. It’s what makes .40 caliber cartridges great, because you strike up a nice balance between capacity and projectile weight.
Ballistics is what makes 10mm auto great due to the velocity and bullet weight involved, with increased capacity adding to the winning combo.
True 10mm is more powerful than .45, that's the main reason I'm looking at getting a Glock 10mm, but one extra round in an autoloader is meaningless IMO due to speed of reloads.
IMO capacity of pistols doesn't become a factor until moving up in caliber reduces the capacity by 3 rounds or more, which is why I don't see the detraction of .40 caliber vs 9mm, but I do with .45 vs 9mm in doublestack pistols. For example I look at a used .45 GAP Glock and see that its capacity is 10 rds and the G17 holds 17 rds; 7 rds more is nearly double the capacity.
If you understand that 10mm auto is more powerful than a 45 acp why would you assert that if people are going for single stack guns they should go for a 45? What does the capacity or magazine design have to do with the chambering?
The point of a 10mm is power. You said capacity is what makes 10mm great. Now you’re saying capacity only matters if caliber changes it by three rounds. If your point is that single stacks should only be chambered in 9mm caliber and 45 caliber offerings because 10mm auto doesn’t offer a significant capacity difference, then you’re totally missing the point of 10mm, especially out of a single stack gun. Not everyone likes the brick like ergonomics of the Glock 20 or 40. A single stack increases options in the ergos department, and some folks like all steel designs.
There are double stack all steel 10mms offered by Tanfoglio but some folks want different designs, and some folks just love the 1911. So I don’t understand the logic behind your earlier assertion, nor your response. I’m not trying to single you out, just understand your thought process for your comments.
FWIW, you could shoot 40s out of a Glock 10mm, but not a 1911 platform, if that matters to you. In a Glock the case headspaces on the extractor.
I’ve got only one...a Ruger SR 1911. Pretty good shooter. I use the heavy Buffalo Bore cast RNFP.
Made a few changes...replaced front sight with tritium night sight, put old school Pachmyar wrap around grips on it and replaced the flat mainspring housing with a leftover satin nickel arched mainspring housing from an old Colt. This improved my hits by naturally raising impacts. Interesting in that I shoot 1911’s in 45 ACP better with flat mainspring housings.
I use two different holsters...occasionally an OWB open top pancake but mostly I use a Diamond D Guide’s Choice chest rig, in late winter. Don’t carry it in warm weather. Carry Match Champion 357 with a snake shot instead.
Because .45 +P, .45 Super, .460 Rowland exist and can reach or exceed 10mm power and lose only one round. Personally, I wouldn't buy a single stack in .45 or 10mm, but some might for the ergo reasons you mentioned.
The cartridge is what makes it great, imho.
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