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Montana Gold sucks...SUCKS...as far as using their .40 caliber offering pushed to full power 10mm loads in regards to the bullet holding together.

That said...complete bullet failure everytime, but this ammo penetrated the deepest of all 10mm ammo fired.

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ahahhahahahahaha..............not the first I heard that. Oh well I'm just using them for plinking anyway. THANKS!

Still if an attacker got shot with that at 1600 fps, he might go "ouch".
 
I have a Glock 29 SF - added grip extenders to the two mags, tru-glo sights, Lone Wolf extended, ported barrel. Replaced the Slide Release and Slide Locks with aftermarket parts.

Very pleased with this gun - Intended use is open carry, or back up gun for hunting.
Can use the Glock 20 mags. Its kinda nice being able to carry so much firepower in such a compact package.
 
Montana Gold sucks

Montana Gold is not and has never been a SD bullet. They (Just ask them) are a target shooting only bullet. Why the JHP? Well many many competitive shooters feel the JHP's are more accurate then FMJ's.

There are a lot of bullets that look like SD bullets but, are not. So be sure to check info on them if that is your intended use.
 
A good friend and myself occasionally shoot various types of ammo in a manner that allows us to recover the bullets for examination. We have shot thru wood, glass, cardboard, water jugs, and water soaked products. This was our 2nd trip with 10mm included. We were firing into water soaked reams of copier paper that were held tightly together with duct tape. Two reams stood up back to back stopped all hollow point ammo in the 2nd ream, except the .45 ammo...it was recovered in the 1st ream. The reams are very hard on bullets and certainly not meant to be compared to tests using ballistic gel. Very un-scientific testing but enough info is gathered to form some educated conclusions....more importantly it is a lot of fun.

The 9mm was shot thru a G19, the .40 thru a S&W M+P, the 10mm thru a G20SF, and the .45 ACP thru a Les Baer 1911.

A note in regards to the 10mm ammo: all the bullets recovered exhibited failure/fragmentation.

9mm 147 gr Federal LE Tactical HST: Recovered weight = 147 gr. Widest expansion point = 0.727" (This is an anomaly due to a single lead petal that stretch out in an irregular manner). (No fragmentation at all).

9mm 147 gr Speer GD: Recovered weight = 147 gr. Widest expansion point = 0.584" (I believe this expansion to be more normal for a 0.355" bullet). (No fragmentation at all).

.40 S&W 180 gr HST: Recovered weight = 173.9 gr. Widest expansion point = 0.759". (Minimal fragmentation with 6.1gr. not recovered).

.45 ACP 230 gr HST: Recovered weight = 229.6gr. Widest expansion point = 0.837". Extremely minimal fragmentation with 0.4 gr not recovered. (This bullet's expansion was perfect, with beautifully formed petals).

10mm 200 gr Hornady XTP (Underwood): Recovered weight = 178.2 gr. Widest expansion point = 0.665". (This is the only 10mm that was fired that didn't exhibit massive fragmentation/bullet failure).

10mm 180 gr Hornady XTP (Underwood): Recovered weight = 160.0 gr. Widest expansion point = 0.658".

10mm 180 gr Speer GD (Underwood): Recovered weight = 107.4 gr. Widest expansion point = 0.638". (Complete bullet failure).

10mm 180 gr Montana Gold (Buffalo Bore): Recovered weight = 119.9 gr. Widest expansion = 0.561" (Complete bullet failure with 10 fragments founded, but note that this ammo penetrated the deepest of all 10mm ammo fired).

10mm 165 gr Speer GD (Underwood): Recovered weight = 109.7 gr. Widest expansion = 0.619" (Complete bullet failure).

Very casual conclusions:

1) The HST bullet performs incredibly well at standard pressures and normal FPS ranges for all calibers shot. (I will be loading my G19 with some of my 147 gr HST ammo from now on).

2) The 200 gr XTP in 10mm maybe the only bullet (from what we have tested) that is holding up to the "hot" 10mm loads. This is due to not only the excellent bullet construction but this load had the slowest FPS of any of the ammo we used (my guess).

3) Current design .40 caliber bullets being pushed 200-300 fps faster for 10mm loads will cause some sort of bullet failure....in many cases extreme failure. Again...the paper reams are very, very hard on the bullets. (We considered bullet failure when the copper jacket separated from the lead portion of the bullet and caused major fragmentation).

4) We chrono'd the Underwood stuff and it was very consistent plus an average of 50 fps faster than advertised. This usually isn't the case for other 10mm offerings.

Questions:

1) How would a .40 caliber HST bullet hold up in a "hot" 10mm load?

2) Is bullet failure/fragmentation a bad thing if the penetration of the largest recovered piece is deep enough to incapacitate? (Example: The Buffalo Bore bullet left a track of sharp copper shards all the way from the 1st start of expansion all the way to the largest piece of recovered lead. This ammo fragmented the greatest out of what we have tested but penetrated the deepest. This would have been a very ugly wound in living tissue).

A final side note: Underwood 10mm 180 gr FMJ zipped thru 4 reams of paper, 2 water-filled gallon jugs, and into 8" of wet sand. Nice to know if a G20 was a back up in large 4 legged critter country.
Testing bullets is tedious and very time consuming, thank you for sharing your results. Never thought of using copy paper. :)
 
Hey folks,

How do you guys feel about Precision Delta's ammunition offerings?

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Hey folks,

How do you guys feel about Precision Delta's ammunition offerings?

It's in the same category as Montana Gold. It's target ammo.

I have loaded and number of 124g JHP's from Precision Delta and they are accurate but, not meant as a SD bullet.

Yes anything can be used as a SD bullet but, intended purpose is key IMO.

A good target/hunting/SD for the cost is Nosler Sporting JHP's. They seem to hold good weight and expand well.
 
I have a 1006 and 2 EAA Witness pistols in 10mm. I can say that I love all of them. I have shot over 1000 rounds in both of the EAA pistols and they still look and work like new. The one thing I did was to install a 20# Wolf spring in each of them. That was to slow down the slide and so I did not have to look 30 to 40 feet from the firing line to find my brass. They are tack drivers.
 
Panzercat - I have the RIA 10mm and it is fantastic. Shoots very well, the construction is very good, and I like that it has a bull barrel instead of dealing with the bushing.

The trigger is not particularly spectacular, but that's an easy fix! Really nice to have the LPA rear sight as well, and RIA uses Novak cuts, so if you want to swap anything out it's easy.

Shot side-by-side with a 1911 in .45, you can definitely feel the difference. I hesitate to say I like the 10mm a little better... :)
 
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