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11 Million New Class 3 Gun Owners

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Thin Black Line, Apr 6, 2006.

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  1. Thin Black Line

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    Here's a thought:

    Would the Dems and Repubs "come together" across Capitol Hill to legalize
    a new wave of US Citizens as Class 3 Gun Owners? Would there be a
    so-called blanket amnesty or a tiered process toward owning your new Class
    3 firearm?

    Can you imagine how good this would be for our depressed manufacturing
    sector in this country if millions of new firearms, parts, and ammunition
    were legal! Look at the JOBS this would create --factories, ranges, retail,
    training, not to mention additional licensing fees.

    At $200 per tax stamp, this would generate 2,200,000,000. WOW!!!!

    Surely, since no legal machine gun has EVER been used in a crime in this
    country, no one in his or her right mind could argue against the good this
    would do for everyone. To oppose it would be to deny freedom itself!
     
  2. TexasRifleman

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    Not true. A cop shot someone with a Mac 10 once. (Think it was a Mac).

    Other than that I find your logic flawless, who do I call?
     
  3. mordechaianiliewicz

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    I'm all for it.
     
  4. Thin Black Line

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    Well, if we just follow the current illegal-becomes-legal immigration model:

    1. We all just start doing it.
    2. Hire lawyers and PR people to manipulate the public --whose fees are paid
    by the public ;)
    3. Pay off the right people in positions of power.
    4. Wait for it to be made legal later.
     
  5. Maxwell

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    You first :uhoh:
     
  6. TexasRifleman

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    Well, his point is valid. There is no "go first", we just ALL do it at the same time together. Rather than try to convict all of us, they just make it legal and take credit for being "understanding and compassionate".

    It's a valid parallel to what's happening with the immigration mess for sure.
     
  7. pcf

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    The federal government spends about $170,000,000 a hour. 2.2 Billion could be saved if the governemnt shutdown for 13 hours. Or if the government shutdown for about 2 minutes everyday for a year. Or the government could generate 2.2 billion in revenue by taxing every person an additional $7.50.

    If every American paid a $200 tax stamp, we would generate less than an eighth of what the deficit will increase by this year.

    2.2 Billion is a lot of money, then again it isn't much.

    Now about the part on Democrats and Republicans coming together, the rapscallions and jezebels will hold hands, and dance in the green meadows with the prancing unicorns, as soon as, I have a sip of your Kool Aid.
     
  8. Maxwell

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    ...ok, then you, you and you over there go first :evil:

    Illegal immigration did not happen over night. As mexico became less habitable, the number of refugees increased. They have political pull now because politicians can see them marching in the streets, and some of the less bright ones think these people are a great source of future votes.

    Hurry up and legalize em before '06 elections! :scrutiny:

    I think all it would really be is an example of is how fast government can change its position when given the right inscentives. If firearms owners made that kind of display the politicians wouldnt have much trouble to suddenly find justification for the full-auto nation. Openly supporting the 2nd amendment and having pro-gun views would be back in style.

    If they knew that millions of us were voting on firearms rights first, the nfa wouldnt last long... of course thats not the case. Even among gun owners, firearms rights often take a back seat to other issues.

    These immigrants represent single issue voters to them, easy to court. Our group is more complicated.
    ...That and the fact that getting 500,000 of us tinfoil shielded moonbats out from behind cover/concealment and into open spaces (snipers! radiation bombs! black helicopters! government agents with convieniently malfucntioning M-16's!) might prove very difficult :uhoh:
     
  9. wally

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    Bingo! A Million Gun March :evil:

    --wally.
     
  10. Maxwell

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    One million nfa toting gun nuts marching on the capital... I like where this is going >_>
     
  11. english kanigit

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    Ohhh, a patriotically revolutionary march! Me likey.... :evil:

    IBTL
     
  12. Don't Tread On Me

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    You know, this is somewhat off-topic, so I apologize in advance...

    But why are the vast majority of firearms made in America made in the most anti-gun states? I understand Colt, S&W and a few others history and being there...but look at a company like Kahr. They are pretty new, but are in NY...I guess gun politics have nothing to do with where you build them.
     
  13. 1911 guy

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    Million Gun March. I like the sound of it. The fact that it will scare politicians makes me like it even more. Where do I sign up?

    GET ON THE BUS! (Oh, wait. Greyhound doesn't allow firearms.)
     
  14. TexasRifleman

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    Not when you are running a business. For the most part you worry more about tax incentives, cost of incorporation, access to labor etc.

    Politics are nice but they don't pay the electric bill.
     
  15. Thin Black Line

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    Outside of Chicago and a couple other of the college towns, downstate
    Illinois isn't too bad. They have many firearms and ammo plants than
    most people realize.

    Back on topic:

    Again, apply that logic to the average TAX-PAYING gun owner in this
    country. Whether that might be a "new" class 3 owner or one in CA who
    decides detachable mags aren't a "threat" to his community.

    But, as people point out --you be the first ONE. Yep, everyone is cowering
    in fear because they know full-well they will get a door smashed down at
    3am or be locked up after a traffic stop. And, it wouldn't necessarily be
    by the feds, but but their own locals who will do it.

    Contrast this with Illegal Immigration: Locals do NOT enforce and the feds
    do NOT enforce. Every one of them have been given a rather explicit wink
    and nod over the years that this is "OK" and NOT to enforce it. Even the
    banks give money to the Illimms so they can buy houses here to stay. The
    local hospitals are required to provide medical care which the Illimms do NOT
    pay back. Everything shows that they are a significant drain on the
    health and education systems in this country which they do NOT replenish.
    But who cares? The people making the rules send their kids to private
    schools (that the Illimms do NOT use) and use different clinics and hospitals.

    Yeah, be the first one. Be the one to get thrown in jail, lose YOUR job,
    your house and your insurance coverage. Your credit rating will be ruined,
    banks won't loan to you, and you will get continuous calls from bill collectors.
    Do what the Illimms do and change your SS# and you'll get charged with
    stealing/creating a false identity. No clean slate for you, Mr. America.

    March on DC --even unarmed-- and there will be many in the halls of power
    jumpping for joy since they will have 10's of thousands of new "domestic
    terrorists" to justify more draconion laws tearing away our freedoms, bigger
    budgets for federal agencies, and more kicking in of doors and the inspiration
    of fear among the public. Forget Iraq, the "enemy" is here, they'll say on
    BOTH sides of the aisle.

    The Illimms who were made legal, just bide their time as they are quietly
    joined by more Illimms INSIDE THE GATES. Meanwhile, the power brokers
    just keep their jets fueled and ready to fly to Europe in case the USA goes
    the way of Haiti. They'll just follow Aristide's example saying all is well right
    up to the last possible minute and then split the country. They've made their
    money and have places outside the USA they can go......

    The Democrats sold out this country to socialism a long time ago. As a
    longtime Republican, I can see my own party has sold us out now. They're
    not unlike the Partiya members who sold off everything not nailed down
    in the Soviet Union before its so-called collapse.

    So how will the USA be re-organised???
     
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    Do I see a foreshadowing of a revolution????
     
  17. Third_Rail

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    So, a march of armed people on Washington, D.C.




    You don't think that perchance the anti-gunners would slip in a few "accidents" to get the military called in to arrest everyone or anything, right?


    There's a good reason such a march hasn't happened, I think.
     
  18. 1911 guy

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    An American philosopher whose name eludes me for the moment said our society was long overdue for a revolt. He's been dead for almost a hundred years. Along the flowchart of force (ballot box, soap box, jury box, bullet box) how far are we? I'm really nor sure. Our society show vestiges of hope, but only time will tell whether they are in decline or resurgence.
     
  19. LAR-15

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    Three NFA registered machineguns have been used in crimes- all post 1986
     
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    If you want the NFA owning community to become a political force, go buy some NFA items. If 10 million gun owners bought a .22 suppresor (still being manufactured every day) and paid the stamp ($400 total investment) the government would have to notice and take that group seriously.
     
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    The thing is that we don't have to physically march on DC (District of Criminals?) If we ALL send a letter to our hired hands (three letters from each of us) we can make almost as much of an impact.

    Then again, remember the "Line Across America?" We could pick a day and go out in our own areas and show support for one another and the Constitution. How about a relay across America, where we pass a firearm (Musket, perhaps, for the symbolism?) from one to another?

    Pops
     
  22. Headless Thompson Gunner

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    Peacefully owning a machine gun without the official papers is no different than peacefully living in this country without the offical papers.

    Owning a machine gun without the proper government documentation does not, in and of itself, harm anyone else. Living in the States without the proper government documentation does not, in and of itself, harm anyone else.

    Neither should be illegal.

    Nobody here seems to mind that there are millions of people breaking the law by owning undocumented machineguns. It's OK for some of usto break some of the laws that we don't like.

    Yet when millions immigrants do the same thing, suddenly the Law is Sacred. How dare they violate our Holy Law!


    :rolleyes:
     
  23. Third_Rail

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    I'll get flamed for this, and so will you, but well put!. The main issue with that is the welfare state we have, not people wanting to come here.
     
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    Ouch! Okay, Where to Start...

    Uhhh, yes it is. Much different. See, owning a weapon hurts no one. Illegal aliens hurt everyone's economy, national morale, the education (or at least intelligence) level, cultural norms...that's an awful lot of damage.

    Uhhh, your first point is true. The bus seems to have left without you on the second point, however (see above for more on this).

    It's not because we don't like them. It's because they're unconstitutional. Keeping illegal aliens out is not, as I'm sure you agree. Especially when they're waving their nation of origin's flag over our own, upside-down one. Or would you still prefer they be rewarded with amnesty for their dishonorable activities and outright hatred for real American citizens?

    That "Holy Law" happens to be a constitutionally-sound one, and a good one. The machine gun law has obviously had no good effect, and no effect at all other than to subjugate the liberty of the People to the will of the government.
     
  25. Henry Bowman

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    I disagree. The NFA is unConstitutional, I agree, However, a sovereign country has the right to secure its borders and to account for (i.e., register) any non-citizens who enter. You do not have a "right" to import anything into the US. That is to be regulated by Congress. Likewise, unless you are a US citizen, you do not have a "right" to enter this country. Non-citizens enter subject to regulation. You do need "papers" to cross international borders. There is nothing unreasonable or unConstitutional about that.
     
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